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Re: Hideous Destructor [last update dated May 24, 2016]

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Big C wrote:
If you observed his patterns you'd notice my typing is too good to be the hacker. He hasn't exactly done a very clever job of concealing his behavior.
How can I know this? I am still kid, how do I know this is not another lie. If I was a hacker I would also try to make others think it's not me.
Besides you reacted so fast and accepted his post without doubt. Clearly you're trying to protect the guy.
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Re: Hideous Destructor [last update dated May 24, 2016]

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Anyway, Vae, what do you have planned for remedying the ultra-portability of the new Vulcanette?
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Re: Hideous Destructor [last update dated May 24, 2016]

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"Also, you said you're 15 but your account profile says you're 20. Explain that."

I did it because I was afraid forum requires higher age. Alright? Are you done with your accusations? And what is so wrong with not posting for some time?
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Re: Hideous Destructor [last update dated May 24, 2016]

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If you think real-Extropist on the last page is the hacker, then report him instead of blaming me. Because that's protocol.
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Re: Hideous Destructor [last update dated May 24, 2016]

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Big C wrote:If you think real-Extropist on the last page is the hacker, then report him instead of blaming me. Because that's protocol.
Yes, your right I will do this. But remember. You are suspicious for me.
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Re: Hideous Destructor [last update dated May 24, 2016]

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piexil wrote:I did it because I was afraid forum requires higher age.
Well, whatever you say. Even though with a register date of 2008, the forum's given age would have been 13 anyway. Any updates on those maps of yours? I'd love to see them, if you're still working on them.

But more seriously, about vulcanette changes. I feel that it really kind of defeats the point of a vulcanette as a support fire weapon. It's really not much better than a glorified assault rifle at this point, whereas before it was the only weapon able to lay down a constant stream of fire, just like you'd expect a support weapon to you. You could argue "oh but the pauses are equivalent to firing an MG in bursts so you don't overheat the barrel" except... wasn't that the entire point of a multi-barrel gun to begin with? Why does this thing even need to have multiple barrels if it requires pauses that would be similarly adequate for a single barrel gun anyway?
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Re: Hideous Destructor [last update dated May 24, 2016]

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For the whole extropist thing, I think it would be helpful if weasel or someone else could just CONFIRM this is the issue, as he stated in PM's with me the same, and that there was IP issues according to Weasel. If weasel confirms it, I'm completely fine with it. If he denies it, well...yeah.

As for the vulcanette, I admit, I'm lamenting that vae isn't planning to change it back. Such a very, very heavy change to it, because of a theoretical problem really irks me. I do think other hypothetical design alternatives need to be explored to not mechanically change a fictional gun....Damn I feel silly saying that. But what about the 5 magazines connecting to a channel staggering sides and feeding bullets diagonally into the channel, then that singular channel feeding the bullets into the actual chambers? Also, with the old setup, not exactly sure how feeding rounds from 5 mags is somehow harder than 1 mag....just saying...But again, not a guns expert.

In all seriousness though Vae, if the current design of the vulc is staying the same in terms of requiring a pause every 50 rounds, and instantly reving, and everything else...I'm going to be honest...I now hate the vulcanette. Which sucks, because I used to love it. But now it doesn't even feel like a chaingun. And I don't think I will ever grow to like the current setup, it feels very broken...

Also, chaingun guys are weaker since they still have rev time...not that they should have the current vulc setup, cause that would be op, but still.
But more seriously, about vulcanette changes. I feel that it really kind of defeats the point of a vulcanette as a support fire weapon. It's really not much better than a glorified assault rifle at this point, whereas before it was the only weapon able to lay down a constant stream of fire, just like you'd expect a support weapon to you. You could argue "oh but the pauses are equivalent to firing an MG in bursts so you don't overheat the barrel" except... wasn't that the entire point of a multi-barrel gun to begin with? Why does this thing even need to have multiple barrels if it requires pauses that would be similarly adequate for a single barrel gun anyway?
THANK YOU.

Yeah, sorry vae, not at all happy with the change, and I most likely won't use the vulc anywhere near as much anymore with this new setup...just feels wrong on so many levels.
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Re: Hideous Destructor [last update dated May 24, 2016]

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Gonna second Somagu and Mumble. Only thing I really remotely like about the new Vulcanette is the instant trigger-activated spinup, and even then I honestly prefer the hold spinup and single-shot non-spun mode because they added strategy to using the old Vulcanette. More reliable than the assault rifle at the expense of being heavier, needing batteries, and having to spin up and down.

Besides, didn't you say once that the way the current rocquette launcher chambered a new round was some sort of technomagic pump-action?
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Re: Hideous Destructor [last update dated May 24, 2016]

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Extropist and piexil are both victims of the recent brute force attack. IP logs confirm this. Therefore, "this" piexil is an impostor and the IP they used to write those posts is now banned.
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Re: Hideous Destructor [last update dated May 24, 2016]

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Hi, everyone, this is Piexil - the real one. Apparently, this account has been very busy despite my absence. I apologize for any harm or disruption caused by my negligence - my account was not sufficiently secured. The extremely weak account protection is my fault, but I do not know who hijacked the account. I love DooM, and I love DooM mods. I have no coding know-how or experience. I know what I think is fun or cool for me (which is all I'm really qualified to speak on), and my last post was Nov 22th. Unfortunately, my mod company has been very busy, and I have not had the time to game, much less post! Taking a bit of Summer vacation in Majorca, I was just a bit blindsided by what blew up. So, I'd like to apologize for the part that my negligence played in any of the hard feelings, insults, and the rest. I trust that the Moderators will sort this out, and I just want to do my part in this.

Thanks to all of the content creators in ZDoom, who have given me hours upon hours of fun. I also wanted to express my sadness that this happened in the HD thread - a mod that has really gripped me, it even got me to kludge some GURPS rules to support a HD RPG of sorts.
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Re: Hideous Destructor [last update dated May 24, 2016]

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What the f...

Deja vu.

EDIT: I suppose the trolling will go on for quite some time - there's no telling how many accounts the perpetrator has.
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Re: Hideous Destructor [last update dated May 24, 2016]

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That's not the real Piexil either.
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Re: Hideous Destructor [last update dated May 24, 2016]

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It kinda gives me this "Do I really sound (type?) like that?" reaction.

That aside, I don't entirely mind the Vulcanette's change. Though, maybe it's an in-universe safety "feature", the sort of thing that Marines in the shit jury-rig off. The Assault Rifle differences already evoke the M14/16 controversy, right? The new Vulcanette can have a place in a load out, but I think it's a different place in a different load out, is all.

Edit: As for what it could involve, given that the reliability of the old Vulc was a great reason to use it, maybe it has to do with the need to use plasma-capable batteries. It's a cost-cutting measure sold as an upgrade, though a canny soldier knows how to get his old friend back in good order - thing is, he'll need batteries to do it, if he doesn't want to risk blowing the mag in his face.
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Re: Hideous Destructor [last update dated May 24, 2016]

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Extropist wrote:It kinda gives me this "Do I really sound (type?) like that?" reaction.

That aside, I don't entirely mind the Vulcanette's change. Though, maybe it's an in-universe safety "feature", the sort of thing that Marines in the shit jury-rig off. The Assault Rifle differences already evoke the M14/16 controversy, right? The new Vulcanette can have a place in a load out, but I think it's a different place in a different load out, is all.

Edit: As for what it could involve, given that the reliability of the old Vulc was a great reason to use it, maybe it has to do with the need to use plasma-capable batteries. It's a cost-cutting measure sold as an upgrade, though a canny soldier knows how to get his old friend back in good order - thing is, he'll need batteries to do it, if he doesn't want to risk blowing the mag in his face.
I agree with you friend. But don't troll anymore.
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Re: Hideous Destructor [last update dated May 24, 2016]

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Kinda glad I don't use my pw here anywhere else... maybe just ban piexil's account until the real one can be contacted?

Yes, the ZM66/Lib was definitely inspired by the M16 controversy... among other corporate tech screwups.

To be blunt, the only reason why the mag only cycles when you let go is because I didn't think it through and got lazy - surely the computer on the vulc has something to do given how much power it's using. It will be changed in the next update, along with a few other tweaks designed to make the vulc a bit more slow and bulky-feeling. (Also apparently I forgot to re-introduce that thing where the vulc is so heavy it slowly drifts downwards when not braced, which I'm guessing contributes to the lightness not insignificantly)
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