Scaled up by 20%

[FLYBAT]

Could you please get rid of the 200->240? It's annoying.
Seriously, look at this:


I am aware of the possibility to play with original appearance of the game graphics by choosing 320x200 or 640x400.
But the problem is that all other resolutions are stretched. All of them.

This is FullHD:


Why is there no possibility to at least turn this horrendous "feature" on or off? It's 2014 for Christ's sake.

[Gez]

http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Aspect_ratio

[FLYBAT]

http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Aspect_ratio

What do you mean by that?

[Dark-Assassin]

320x200 and 640x400 are a 16:10 aspect ratio, however old CRT displays displayed them as 4:3 instead, thus actually stretching the image vertically.

[Enjay]

What do you mean by that?

Doom's in-game graphics were designed specifically for the tall pixels of the 320x200 screen mode

That being said, I would love the option to switch off the 1:1.2 scaling for mods that are not intended to be Doom-like and which do not need to rely on correcting graphics like Doom. This would be particularly useful in a mod featuring models which are not scaled in this way.

[Gez]

http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Aspect_ratio

What do you mean by that?

That your "eye candy" is fat, and that your "monstrosity" is how Doom is supposed to look.

[FLYBAT]

your "eye candy" is fat, and that your "monstrosity" is how Doom is supposed to look

I don't think it's fat. I see perfect square pixels arranged in a beautiful artwork. And the stretched one is, well, stretched. It's horrible.

A problem more serious is that you have to scale all your graphics down by 20% to make them look as you intended in the game. You thus have ugly HUD graphics and disgusting actors all around.

[Graf Zahl]

That's all quite irrelevant. The original was designed for a pixel ratio of 1:1.2, not 1:1, and that's what nearly all ports implement.

[edward850]

That being said, I would love the option to switch off the 1:1.2 scaling for mods that are not intended to be Doom-like and which do not need to rely on correcting graphics like Doom. This would be particularly useful in a mod featuring models which are not scaled in this way.

From what I'm capable of determining, the software rendering projection code has the 1:1.2 logic embedded into it (which would also explain the static table for resolutions?). The screen space is still 1:1, but the world is projected at the necessary ratio to compensate, which also means things like the automap don't distort with it.
You may be looking at "effort not fit for purpose" request, there.

I don't think it's fat. I see perfect square pixels arranged in a beautiful artwork. And the stretched one is, well, stretched. It's horrible.

The ironic part is, had you actually read the wiki article, you would see that Doom's art is not intended for your point of view at all, by any standard. Yet again, for prosperity:

Left: Aspect ratio corrected status bar face, as it would appear in Vanilla Doom at VGA 320x200, stretched on a 4:3 aspect ratio monitor. Right: Status bar face without aspect ratio correction. Center: The Mona Lisa

Edit:

[00:14:27] <chungy> the status bar in his "monstrosity" image is still wrong
[00:14:48] <Edward850> ... what the...
[00:14:54] <Edward850> My mind!

[NeuralStunner]

That being said, I would love the option to switch off the 1:1.2 scaling for mods that are not intended to be Doom-like and which do not need to rely on correcting graphics like Doom. This would be particularly useful in a mod featuring models which are not scaled in this way.

I'd like this quite a lot as well. But probably the only way it's going to happen is for a significant number of mods to require it.

Personally I've played at an unadjusted 8:5 (and not just Doom engine) for so long that anything else doesn't look right.

[Enjay]

I'd like this quite a lot as well. But probably the only way it's going to happen is for a significant number of mods to require it.

And, of course, unless it's available, mods won't be made to require it.

I know, for example, that it was something that would have been liked for [wiki]Paranoid[/wiki]. It was pointed out during the testing phase that where walls had circular shapes on them (such as a fire hose reel) these were in contrast to circular models which were properly circular.

When making models that you want to match level architecture (e.g. a crate model that looks like map-made crates), you have to remember to either make the model 20% taller than its Doom map height or scale it in modeldef to be 20% taller.

Models that rotate along a horizontal axis are particularly weird. If you make them perfectly circular in end view, in game they look like ovals when they rotate unless you scale them up by 20% in the z direction.

Basically, any mod that makes heavy use of models could potentially benefit from being able to use 1:1 rather than 1:1.2 because, models, by default, use 1:1 scaling and (usually) look better that way too (IMO).

As for how difficult it is, I know that Nash has tried it and, from memory, he was able to do it in a relatively simply manner by changing a define somewhere in gl_scene.cpp I think. How appropriate and robust this is for an actual built-into-the-engine modding feature, I have no idea.


I don't see it really having a place in any Doom themed and styled mods but it would potentially be a useful feature for anyone trying to mod outside that environment. Equally, however, unlike a rotating model, I'm not going to get all bent out of shape over it. It would be great to have the feature but I understand the low priority it has.

[NeuralStunner]

And, of course, unless it's available, mods won't be made to require it.

Basically all of my mods "require" it, because it's the environment under which they were made.

I don't see it really having a place in any Doom themed and styled mods but it would potentially be a useful feature for anyone trying to mod outside that environment.

I almost don't make Doom mods, so this puts it near the top of my wishlist. Keep in mind, it wouldn't affect me directly - But it would ensure anyone else would be able to see the mod the same way I do when making it, and I won't have to deflect complaints about things looking "squished".

Any case where you want to rotate a sprite or texture 90 degrees looks completely daft post-adjustment. Obviously square textures turn irritatingly non-square when put on a wall. Scale goes completely boneheaded when 64 units vertically to not visibly match 64 units horizontally. In GZDoom especially, things look completely loopy if you look down and turn. All problems that are entirely reasonable to want to eradicate. Entirely worht it to me, but then, I have absolutely no clue how to do it myself. (I don't think even Graf touches the software renderer often.)

[Graf Zahl]

As for how difficult it is, I know that Nash has tried it and, from memory, he was able to do it in a relatively simply manner by changing a define somewhere in gl_scene.cpp I think. How appropriate and robust this is for an actual built-into-the-engine modding feature, I have no idea.

I might note that at least I managed to move the stretching factor from the projection to the view matrix.
This means no more distortion when looking up and down. And since it's no longer baked into several constant values (finding and understanding those was the big issue here that kept me from changing it earlier) it should be doable with a little work to set it per mod in the GL renderer.
Of course nothing of this means that the original motivation of this thread has any merit whatsoever.

[Blzut3]

Edit:

[00:14:27] <chungy> the status bar in his "monstrosity" image is still wrong
[00:14:48] <Edward850> ... what the...
[00:14:54] <Edward850> My mind!

Since correcting 320x200 to 320x240 always looks awful (simply not enough pixels for nearest scaling), ZDoom chooses to make an exception and forgo the correction in that case.

https://github.com/rheit/zdoom/blob/mas ... r.cpp#L281

[Gez]

"VirticalResolution"