Hard vs Nightmare spawn filter

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Hard vs Nightmare spawn filter

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What's the difference? Does anyone know? A google search showed nothing and according to the http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Skill_level there is no difference, so why are there 2 options in mapinfo?
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Reason: The Doom wiki now lives at doomwiki.org; please use that address
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Just because it's not present in vanilla Doom then it doesn't mean you can't have a mod be even harder on nightmare.

Or have a mod with custom skill definitions where "nightmare" isn't "Nightmare" with fastmonsters and respawning, but rather a skill level that just has even more monsters than UV.
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yeah that's true, a wad could use the extra filter. Just weird that they included it at all considering they didn't even change the monster placement, they could've just used the hard filter.
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Rowsol wrote:they could've just used the hard filter.
... They did just use the "hard" filter. Vanilla doom only has 3 skill filters. 1/2 (ITYTD/HNTR), 3 (HMP) and 4/5 (UV/NM). It should also be noted that Nightmare didn't exist in the original release of Doom. It was actually patched in later on.
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As a side note, I thought the wiki he linked was cleared out some time ago? Either I'm mistaken about the old url being moving to the current one or somebody has cleaned it up recently. Wouldn't surprise me, considering any time I google it, I get the Wikia version as the first page.
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The current Doomwiki tried to remove the Wikia one, but Wikia wouldn't allow it for some reason, if I recall correctly.
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You can't "clear out" a wikia wiki, they'd just restore it. They love their ad money too much.

Spawn filter for each skill (including 9 skill levels that do not exist in vanilla Doom and aren't defined by default) are possible in ZDoom thanks to [wiki]UDMF[/wiki].
wildweasel wrote:The current Doomwiki tried to remove the Wikia one, but Wikia wouldn't allow it for some reason, if I recall correctly.
Nope, not even tried. The experiences of other wikis which migrated before and did attempt to delete everything or put big redirect banners or other methods to forcibly get people away (even just a "we're moving" announcement) shows that the wikia staff will revert any such thing and ban the entire admin team when that happens.
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Is there anything that can be done to at least get it to show up higher in Google search results? Even just Googling "Doom Wiki" shows the Wikia one as the top result.
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