DOOM: THE HERESY official thread

Post by **drfrag** » Fri May 28, 2004 4:21 am

Hi and welcome to THE HERESY thread.
DOOM: THE HERESY v0.08 has just been released.

It's here: http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/index.php?id=12585

It's a bit sad that i have to try to convince you that this
is not a crap. Please keep reading and take a look at the
documentation. It's only a 1 mb download!
The documentation is in the original DOOM format and even has a funny
plot, or several.
THE HERESY is a full HERETIC to DOOM II conversion, but done the
right way. It has nothing to do with older crappy conversions
out there. THE HERESY is NOT a crappy TC.
It's also known as ROMERO'S HERESY, since is a tribute to John and
it's being developed by people at Rome.ro.
This thread is intended for you to make comments, feature
suggestions, bug reports...
It's pretty much like if HERETIC had been released as another
DOOM episode. May be a dream come true, or a nightmare.
Just kidding about that nightmare. You have to see it to
believe it. Has good SP, coop and DM support.
It's something very special and unique, and besides many fancy
effects and features it has very good gameplay in the original
DOOM style, and that's what matters. I specially inspired on DOOM E1.
It's designed for ZDOOM 2.0.xx and requires both HERETIC and
DOOM II to play of course. Works with other BOOM compatible
engines with more or less limitations.
Even a ZDAEMON fix is included.
You'll need to known the secrets to get the most out of DM.
There are more weapons than in HERETIC in the levels too.
I recommend you to enable barrel respawning.
This latest version includes many bug fixes, but also several
weapon setup changes in some levels, specially for DM.
There are more extra doors and teleportes for DM as well.
And a new ending, sadly it doesn't work due to a bug in the latest
ZDOOM version.
I will appreciate your comments.

There's another thread at the rome.ro forums.

See you.

deathz0r · Post by **deathz0r** » Fri May 28, 2004 7:32 am

So wait, it's just Heretic with Doom 2's maplist? Fun-kee.

Post by **Graf Zahl** » Fri May 28, 2004 7:41 am

Why should I even bother with this when I can play the original of both games?

wildweasel · Post by **wildweasel** » Fri May 28, 2004 5:51 pm

I WAS going to try this out, except that the ZIP file contains an incredible number of files. I don't want to deal with that.

Sticky · Post by **Sticky** » Fri May 28, 2004 6:29 pm

I second that.

Curunir · Post by **Curunir** » Sat May 29, 2004 12:28 am

This is stupid. PLZ RUN MY 24 BATCH FILES WHICH WILL CONVERT RESOURCES AS NECESSARY!
Noone wants to have one's wads tinkered with without his or her knowledge of what precisely is going on. Also, how the heck can you try to convince people this conversion doesn't suck when dm2conv.exe is in the .zip package? LOLO AUTOMATIC FOR THE PEOPLE

Giest118 · Post by **Giest118** » Sat May 29, 2004 12:38 am

.... Yes, it's sad that DrFrag is trying to convince us that this isn't crap, even though it's obvious that it is.

Post by **Graf Zahl** » Sat May 29, 2004 2:59 am

The more interesting question is: How did this crap make it through to the /idgames archives? I'd have rejected it immediately.

Post by **drfrag** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 3:43 am

This is really sad. This is a very good conversion, and you can't ever imagine how good
it is. And you are assuming that it's a crap. Why?
I did the conversion becouse DOOm is better than HERETIC.
Why didn't you read the docs? Read the damn file HERESY.TXT!
The documentation is very good, you should at least take a look at the text file.
THis is extremely easy to install. ALl you need is to type something like:
'install c:\games\heretic c:\games\doom2'. And then run PLAYHER.BAT or PLAYSHAD.BAT.
The number of files doesn't matter, after the installation you get only three wads:
HERDATA.WAD, HERLEV.WAD and SHADLEV.WAD. Why are you doing this to me?
At least they could have dedicated five minutes to play it instead of saying that it's
a crap whithout even looking at it. That's a shame!
I've put a lot of work into this and i don't deserve it, and many people will miss it.
Unbelievable! If you ever liked DOOM do yourself a favour and try it.

Post by **drfrag** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 4:18 am

It's only 1 mb download, won't you give me at least five minutes of your time?

There's nothing i can do, and you can't imagine how i feel.
At least you could try it and then if you don't like it tell that it's a CRAP
one thousand times if you want.
But reviewing a wad at doomworld without even taking a look at the
text file it's a SHAME. And it could happen to you. And i'm pretty
sure that it has happened before.
What am i supposed to do now? I was working on a custom HERETIC
palette to make everything look better. This is a nightmare.

Post by **drfrag** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 4:28 am

The conversion file is very good and then there are a lot of patches
performed during installation.
You should not get a wrong impression for the presence of
dm2conv.exe.

Curunir · Post by **Curunir** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 4:40 am

drfrag wrote: Why are you doing this to me? Am I not living up to what I'm supposed to be? Why am I seething with this animosity? I think you owe be a GREAT BIG APOLOGY

the forum wrote: TERRIBLE LIE!

And it could happen to you

No, it couldn't. All you had to do is prepare the package a bit better. People simply don't want to... No, I will not repeat myself. Anyway, just try to make things more likeable to the eye.
I, for example, could have made a level with an external texture pack and said in the .txt file

"This level needs this and that texture pack to work"

But people usually get turned off by such things. So, I'm going to spend some time and include the needed textures in my own map wad.

Just try to package that better and then it would be ok.

Chilvence · Post by **Chilvence** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 4:40 am

No batch file should ever have the words deltree or del in them. I realise that it was only to clean up resources left in the conversion process, but this particular batch would have wiped out something I have been working on for months.

And you need to learn how to sell your levels properly. No one is going to play it if you say "play it, honestly, its not crap!"

Start again, delete the thread, simplify the batch file (eg copy doom2.wad and heretic.wad into directory x and click install - you may delete x and y and z when youre done etc) and actually explain what you have done, because I convert heretic to doom myself in 5 minutes without any of this.

Post by **drfrag** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 4:48 am

No, the installation instructions are very clear. You must install it
in an empty and new folder.
I will upload some screenshots, but do i just need to attach them?
I've never uploaded screenshots before.

Post by **drfrag** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 4:53 am

But this is not a crappy conversion like those released before.
I'm talking about several years of development.
I expected some people believed it was a crap becouse
'HERETIC to DOOM2 conversion' doesn't sound very well.
But i expected them at least to read the text file.