DoomRL Arsenal - [1.1.5] [MP-B7.3]

[4thcharacter]

Is it easy to create your own bestiary entries for other monster packs out there?

I have no problem filling out most of the descriptions for CH right now.

[Soul Sucka]

Love the new HUDs, and I'm glad there's a way to turn off that scrolling weapon name, as that could be distracting at times. How close to completion will the next monster pack release be?

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Also, I see that the Skill category in the PDA lists 5 skills, yet Armageddon is only skill 4... is that a hint towards a new skill level that's even harder than Armageddon?

[Viscra Maelstrom]

Yholl mentioned an Adaptive skill before, which starts out at a UV-equivalent difficulty-level, and gradually increasing into Armageddon. i guess that's the one it's referring to.

i for one enjoy the fact that it's only the zombies dropping items, as opposed to have every single enemy in the game drop billions of pick-ups. it makes the experience feel more like Doom, rather than a RPG with a bunch of loot-drops and stuff. i guess you could have things like revenants dropping rockets, and arachnotrons dropping cells, like in the Doom Roguelike, but it doesn't feel necessary.

[Kaeoschassis]

And if you really want demons dropping stuff, play with LDL. I don't think I've played DRLA without it since it came out. The only thing more fun than fighting one of Yholl's sadistic monstrosities is finding out it's Legendary...

Ahem. Anyway. Looking neat as heck! I have to ask though, did some of the existing monsters get updates? There are a few tricks hinted at in there that I've never personally come across. I guess it might just be luck on my part though...

[Soul Sucka]

Yholl mentioned an Adaptive skill before, which starts out at a UV-equivalent difficulty-level, and gradually increasing into Armageddon. i guess that's the one it's referring to.

If that were it, then there would be no need for a 5th Skill category, as it only utilises monsters from other difficulties and doesn't have new monsters uniquely associated with it.

[Yholl]

but that cyberdemon mk2 needs to have a better sprite for the leg like seriously did they just added a camo system to his legs to look like they weren't cybernetic?

wut

Both his legs are cybernetic.

Is it easy to create your own bestiary entries for other monster packs out there?

No, sorry. I don't know the exact details, but it'd likely need to be expanded manually. It's not mod friendly.

How close to completion will the next monster pack release be?

I'll release it at the same time as DRLA 1.1, as they're quite tied into each other. As far as progress on the monster pack goes, It's only missing one monster, and a bit of polish, really. Arsenal needs the Huds finished, as well as revamps of a few guns and unique weapon modding, as well as a few odds and ends. It's not altogether thaaaat much, but it's basically a champion heavyweight demotivator at this point, considering how many times it's broken my enthusiasm for getting it finished over the past year.

I know I apologize a lot for how long it's taking, but I really am sorry, it should never have taken even half as long as it has.
Doesn't help that my other mods feel far more polished and less fusterclucky, too.

Also, I see that the Skill category in the PDA lists 5 skills, yet Armageddon is only skill 4... is that a hint towards a new skill level that's even harder than Armageddon?

Heh, well spotted. While Ryan and I have discussed a completely unfair difficulty beyond Armageddon, where I drop all attempts to be fair to the player even slightly, we haven't really decided whether it'll happen or not.

What that extra page actually is is for the Special monsters, that don't fit in the normal categories. This is stuff like the Elite Former Scout, which don't specifically replace a certain enemy.

[Soul Sucka]

I didn't word my question properly, I'm sorry. All of these tidbits of info are very appreciated though!

The current version of the monster pack is missing a few monsters on Technophobia and Armageddon. I was just wondering if the next release will have those skill levels completed without any missing monsters, or if there monsters left to do that you'll save for a later release.

[Ribo Zurai]

Heh, well spotted. While Ryan and I have discussed a completely unfair difficulty beyond Armageddon, where I drop all attempts to be fair to the player even slightly, we haven't really decided whether it'll happen or not.

That sounds interesting. You could add the option to start with a random Legendary in this difficulty, like you do for Armageddon starting with an Unique.

[TootsyBowl]

Alright, I really want to play this, but grabbing GzDoom 2.1.1 just to play this isn't really up my alley. So I have 2 questions:

1: Will this work with GzDoom 3.0.0+? I fully understand that it's not supported, but is it functional?
2: Why was this never updated to support the newer versions of GzDoom? Did newer versions remove something critical? Is it because SoloSpaghetti's gone? Is it just too complex or time-consuming?

Sorry if they've been answered already, but I don't feel like combing through 300+ pages of replies to find my answer.

[wildweasel]

Alright, I really want to play this, but grabbing GzDoom 2.1.1 just to play this isn't really up my alley. So I have 2 questions:

1: Will this work with GzDoom 3.0.0+? I fully understand that it's not supported, but is it functional?
2: Why was this never updated to support the newer versions of GzDoom? Did newer versions remove something critical? Is it because SoloSpaghetti's gone? Is it just too complex or time-consuming?

Sorry if they've been answered already, but I don't feel like combing through 300+ pages of replies to find my answer.

1. You may encounter crashes with certain types of armor, if I've understood the rest of the thread correctly. You'll want to go get ZDoom 2.8.1 for guaranteed functionality.

2. It was - the problem is, the update that fixes the problems 3.0.0+ has with it also includes some serious overhauls of many things that are just not done yet. The two are basically inseparable, so a "maintenance" release is unlikely.

[Yholl]

The current version of the monster pack is missing a few monsters on Technophobia and Armageddon. I was just wondering if the next release will have those skill levels completed without any missing monsters, or if there monsters left to do that you'll save for a later release.

I think some will be missing, sorry. I've never been able to get sprites for the Cyber-Caco, or the Armageddon Hell Knight and bosses.

Why was this never updated to support the newer versions of GzDoom? Did newer versions remove something critical? Is it because SoloSpaghetti's gone? Is it just too complex or time-consuming?

Ho boy, bit of a landmine you trod on there.
Well, basically, I have enough trouble working on stuff due to my own incompetence; I flat out refuse to have to deal with all the broken crap of newer versions. I'm certainly not alone there.

They add nothing I'm interested in, they attempt to get rid of things I like, they break things I use. I could end up spend half a day or more trying to get some simple thing to work. Is it because I did it wrong? Or will it turn out to be some stupidly broken thing I've been wasting my time against?
Even 2.8.1/2.1.1 has a whooole bunch of broken stuff, but because I've worked with it for so long, I'm pretty familiar with them, and can avoid them. It's rare for me to encounter a new one, so most of the time, if something doesn't work, it's because I screwed up, which I can deal with.


Here are some examples; I had to replace some code in FinalDoomer because CheckClass stuff was just broken in all newer versions. Or, like wildweasel said, Armor in DRLA 1.05 just outright crashes in newer versions, while it doesn't in 1.1. I DIDN'T EVEN CHANGE ANYTHING IN THEM.

This is a simple hobby, I am not a programmer, I have no special talents, I can barely even do simple maths. I simply want to have fun making these mods, not deal with an endless parade of mysterious explosions.

[SiFi270]

I thought the Holo-bots from STRAIN would make good cyber-cacos.

[Machine-Reaper]

I can make the sprites just in case if you need help in making the remaining demons, also just incase I wanted to ask that can I upgrade the sprites of the MK II Cybie with cool rockie launchers?

[Yholl]

I thought the Holo-bots from STRAIN would make good cyber-cacos.

They don't really fit stylistically, plus they're also not Cacodemons.

I can make the sprites just in case if you need help in making the remaining demons

Sure, if you want. That's a lot of work though, and I am terrifyingly picky about quality, so bear that in mind. Sorry if I sound disinterested, I just won't get myself hyped over something that may or may not happen, heh.
I'd be very very happy if you did go through with it and made something glorious.

also just incase I wanted to ask that can I upgrade the sprites of the MK II Cybie with cool rockie launchers?

wut
It already has giant claw gun arms, what more could it possibly need?

[Machine-Reaper]

[Sure, if you want. That's a lot of work though, and I am terrifyingly picky about quality, so bear that in mind. Sorry if I sound disinterested, I just won't get myself hyped over something that may or may not happen, heh.
I'd be very very happy if you did go through with it and made something glorious.

do not worry I myself am very demanding of quality as well so I shall provide you the best sprite material I can (will take time tho all the more better)

wut
It already has giant claw gun arms, what more could it possibly need?

Two tri-barrled Rocket launcher with laser guides or TOS-1 Missile Rack

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or else we can just stick the MIRV launcher on him just for reference