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Re: Graphical Issues Still Exist in GZDoom 4.8.2

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A few comments about that latest wall of text:
Archie Nellerridge wrote:Just giving yawl a heads up it's my understanding that Windows 7 is still under extended security updates till January 10th, 2023 then I guess Windows 7 is officially dead then not sure, but that's my guess. I'm not sure if that's a paid support or not though.
That extended support is meaningless. It's for paying customers only. For you the regular EOL date applies, except...
Archie Nellerridge wrote: I stopped updates for Windows 7 in March of 2019 because they kept crashing my PC over and over causing me to restore a backup image I had at least 4 or 5 times after that I gave up on Windows 7 Updates so my PC has not been updated with updates since March 2019.
Why do you even bother with stuff like support dates when you run an outdated version of Win 7 and refuse to update further? "Support" means to actually take the offer, which hereby you essentially refused.
Archie Nellerridge wrote: As far as upgrading my PC since I'm just a simple shakerboarder not making much and also just spent alot on my car and inflation I don't have the money to upgrade my PC right now.
Archie Nellerridge wrote: Anyway there's alot of people probably in my situation as well who are stuck with older PC's and can't do anything.
Archie Nellerridge wrote: Also honestly there are some people such as myself who don't like Windows 10 or even 11 and refuse to upgrade beyond Windows 7 because of things they either heard or seen on Windows 10 and 11.
Here's the thing: You actually *CAN* do something about your situation - and that's the one thing you refuse to do: Upgrade to Windows 10. All of a sudden you will have access again to the latest drivers that most likely will solve your problem!

It is one thing to give up on users that are stuck with Windows 7 (like I was on my previous system which ran on Windows 8.1 Enterprise which was not eligible for a free Windows 10 upgrade) but TBH I cannot pity those like you who are suffering from self-inflicted wounds. In less than two weeks it will be 10 years that Windows 7 has not been the current line of Windows anymore!
If you knowingly and willingly stick to an old OS version that sees support dropped from ever more software, especially drivers, it's you alone who is responsible for your increasing problems with getting modern software to work.
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Re: Graphical Issues Still Exist in GZDoom 4.8.2

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Graf Zahl wrote:
Redneckerz wrote:7 is currently in the same boat. It just works,
Here's the problem: It *doesn't* just work. It gets increasingly unsupported by software updates - and better forget about running modern games on it.
Also, a little reminder about the biggest nail in Win7's coffin: UTF-8.
I feel i should stress that for the average user, it just works - As in, you aren't getting two dozens warning signs that you are outdated.

I don't expect you to keep Win7 support going until the last end. I do expect someone else to enable legacy support for those outliers (That don't make a dent on GZDoom system usage) that want Win7 support stil.
Archie Nellerridge wrote:I stopped updates for Windows 7 in March of 2019 because they kept crashing my PC over and over causing me to restore a backup image I had at least 4 or 5 times after that I gave up on Windows 7 Updates so my PC has not been updated with updates since March 2019.
I mean, you mention that graphical issues still exist in GZ and only now you mention (admit?) that you run an older OS - But its not even updated because of Windows Update.

How is GZ the issue in this one? By not atleast keeping your OS up-to-date, you introduce a ton of more variables - Variables beyond what you can expect from a developer of a port. For all we know, the lack of OS updates might be the culprit.

Luckily we live in times where even older hardware is still decently capable (Up to 10 years prior rough or take see Radeon HD 7xx series still going strong) but the whole lack of updates for the OS is something that can be avoided entirely. That's ultimately a user issue and not a developer issue.
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Re: Graphical Issues Still Exist in GZDoom 4.8.2

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Graf Zahl wrote: Here's the thing: You actually *CAN* do something about your situation - and that's the one thing you refuse to do: Upgrade to Windows 10. All of a sudden you will have access again to the latest drivers that most likely will solve your problem!
I do agree with you - but I do want to make one thing clear: There is no clear upgrade path for Windows 7 Ultimate. It's stuck in the same limbo as Win7/8 Enterprise were.

But still if someone could afford something like that (or did they afford it to begin with?) it does give the pity story a lot less weight.
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Re: Graphical Issues Still Exist in GZDoom 4.8.2

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Rachael wrote: I do agree with you - but I do want to make one thing clear: There is no clear upgrade path for Windows 7 Ultimate. It's stuck in the same limbo as Win7/8 Enterprise were.
Ah. I somehow misread it as "Professional".
Rachael wrote: But still if someone could afford something like that (or did they afford it to begin with?) it does give the pity story a lot less weight.
That's a good question. I was able to obtain the Enterprise license through a former employer's MSDN account, but Microsoft changed the terms for MSDN licenses for Windows 10 so I couldn't used it anymore to upgrade.
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Okay I'm just going state a fact here the reason I can't upgrade any higher right now is my motherboard won't support beyond Windows 8 that's the highest it will go so I choose Windows 7 or more like a friend recommended it to me at the time. But anyway if my computer would go to Windows 10 I would think about considering it, but it won't. So basically where I'm at I would have to start completely from scratch on everything from the ground up to upgrade my PC which I don't have the money for a may never have the money for at the rate things are going for me. I would have to get a new case because mines old and they don't make the kinda standoffs I need for it anymore, new CPU, new video card maybe, new sound card, new SSD's maybe, new DVD ROM and DVD Writer, new memory, power supply & fans & monitor would probably be still usuable. I just don't have the money. It's just me and my mother right now as my dad passed back in 2012. My job situation like I said is shakerboarding that's mostly it. I don't make much at least not enough to build a new computer right now. I just spent alot on my car with tax refunds saved up over the years which was my nest egg I had to touch if something ever happened to my mother. Inflation doesn't help. Getting a new job for me isn't easy with my disabilities/handicaps I have. As I said before and will say again as long as 4.7.1 is getting me by I'll be okay I just wanted a new version for possibly FPS increases, but so far every time I upgrade to new versions I don't really see much in FPS increases except when yawl started Vulkan support and then everything change, but since Vulkan I haven't seen much more FPS increases in newer versions, but Vulkan did help me over OpenGL, but I still have issues with Vulkan FPS here and there depends on the situations. Anyway yawl have all stated your peace I won't bother you about it any more because it gets no where anyways except mostly the same replies so I'm done I'll be fine with 4.7.1. Now if Brutal Doom V22 doesn't work on 4.7.1 is when I'll be upset, but that's years down the road because he's staying busy with other projects so Brutal Doom V22 may be a long way down the road.
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Re: Graphical Issues Still Exist in GZDoom 4.8.2

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Archie Nellerridge wrote:.... But anyway if my computer would go to Windows 10 I would think about considering it, but it won't ....
Have you tried?
I have a laptop computer with way fewer capabilities running Windows 10 just fine.

See viewtopic.php?f=123&t=75446&p=1220734#p1220734

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I don't know if these links below are helpful at all

https://windowstechies.com/-/en/filenam ... gKCkvD_BwE

https://www.drivereasy.com/knowledge/am ... ws-solved/
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Re: Graphical Issues Still Exist in GZDoom 4.8.2

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Of course it will run Windows 10. If there's Windows 7 compatible systems that can't run Windows 10, they'd be from the mid 2000's.
Windows 11 is a different story, of course, but that's beside the point.
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There's a cutoff with AMD CPU's, but only for the 64-bit version of Windows. And they are the oldest, *oldest* 64-bit CPU's. Those CPU's can run the 32-bit version of Windows, but then of course you can't run GZDoom. The cutoff occurs between Windows 8 and 8.1. Said CPU's can run Windows 8 64-bit, but have to downgrade to 32-bit for 8.1, due to some missing instructions needed by 8.1 (I think they are related to security).
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Here you go guys proof my motherboard won't go beyond Windows 8 64bit. If you go here and click on Windows 10 64bit under Driver OS several drivers disappear like Chipset Drivers and some others that I would need. You click on Windows 7 64bit - Windows 8 64bit and Chipset Drivers are there along with other drivers I need. It's basically a driver problem as to why I can't upgrade to Windows 10 64bit on my PC.

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA ... -dl-driver
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Re: Graphical Issues Still Exist in GZDoom 4.8.2

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Archie Nellerridge wrote:Okay I'm just going state a fact here the reason I can't upgrade any higher right now is my motherboard won't support beyond Windows 8 that's the highest it will go so I choose Windows 7 or more like a friend recommended it to me at the time. But anyway if my computer would go to Windows 10 I would think about considering it, but it won't.
Your motherboard will be just fine running W10.

Either way these issues you have are very much on your own.
Archie Nellerridge wrote: Now if Brutal Doom V22 doesn't work on 4.7.1 is when I'll be upset, but that's years down the road because he's staying busy with other projects so Brutal Doom V22 may be a long way down the road.
Maybe try out a different mod while you are at it.
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Re: Graphical Issues Still Exist in GZDoom 4.8.2

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Archie Nellerridge wrote:Here you go guys proof my motherboard won't go beyond Windows 8 64bit. If you go here and click on Windows 10 64bit under Driver OS several drivers disappear like Chipset Drivers and some others that I would need. You click on Windows 7 64bit - Windows 8 64bit and Chipset Drivers are there along with other drivers I need. It's basically a driver problem as to why I can't upgrade to Windows 10 64bit on my PC.

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA ... -dl-driver
A lot of drivers for hardware that old are built-in to Windows by now, or at a minimum provided by Microsoft through Windows Update. You typically don't have to go to vendor-specific websites anymore for most common hardware, except perhaps your GPU.
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Archie Nellerridge wrote:Here you go guys proof my motherboard won't go beyond Windows 8 64bit. If you go here and click on Windows 10 64bit under Driver OS several drivers disappear like Chipset Drivers and some others that I would need. You click on Windows 7 64bit - Windows 8 64bit and Chipset Drivers are there along with other drivers I need. It's basically a driver problem as to why I can't upgrade to Windows 10 64bit on my PC.
You can get the chipset driver directly from AMD (and even a newer Windows 7 driver for that matter): https://www.amd.com/en/support/chipsets ... ipsets/970 That said, I'm certain you won't even need to bother installing them since the drivers Windows 10 will give you out of the box will be good enough. Especially if you've been using the old chipset drivers this whole time anyway.

Drivers from the motherboard manufacture are basically a last resort. There are exceptional cases where you have to use them, but they're pretty rare and usually are some obscure retro computing thing like 3rd gen Intel core processors being fully supported on XP using motherboard vendor drivers.

I see no reason at all that your hardware shouldn't run Windows 10 just fine.
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Turns out I can't update my Chipset drivers like Blzut3 insisted on me doing. Reason being is all it wanted to do is update RAID/SATA drivers and USB drivers. Well it turns out the AMD RAID/SATA drivers in the past were causing issues with my Samsung EVO 860's not letting them run at full speeds or full potential and I talked to a friend about it and he suggested I used the Standard AHCI 1.0 Serial ATA Controller. Well as soon as I did my Samsung EVO's started running at the correct speeds and running at there full potential like they are suppose to. So once I saw the Chipset drivers Blzut3 suggested me use wanted me to install the AMD RAID/SATA drivers again I backed out because I'm not going through them messing up my Samsung EVO 860's again. It also turns out not only do I not have the money at the present time to upgrade my PC, but don't have the money to upgrade to Windows 10. It's looking like I'll just be staying with Windows 7 as long as things continue to work and GZDoom V4.7.1 as well as things continue to work. I appreciate everyone's suggestions, but there's nothing I can do.
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Guest wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 8:15 am Turns out I can't update my Chipset drivers like Blzut3 insisted on me doing. Reason being is all it wanted to do is update RAID/SATA drivers and USB drivers. Well it turns out the AMD RAID/SATA drivers in the past were causing issues with my Samsung EVO 860's not letting them run at full speeds or full potential and I talked to a friend about it and he suggested I used the Standard AHCI 1.0 Serial ATA Controller.
Well am i glad your friend knew your situation better.

The rest is still very much your issue. I sympthatize with you on the lack of funds, but there is zero reason to me that GZDoom 4.8.2 would somehow be unrunnable on a system that happily accepts 4.7.1. But alas, so are the times.

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