Benchmark Tests - August 2021

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Re: Benchmark Tests - August 2021

Postby Graf Zahl » Sun Aug 22, 2021 7:55 am

That card shows some very interesting behavior. Draw call throughput with GL2 is a lot better than with modern OpenGL. Aside from that there's no surprises and like all other AMD cards with Vulkan support clearly suggests to use that API.

That said, we really need some numbers of older GL3 cards. But from the looks of it these have become so rare by now that it's going to be difficult.
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Re: Benchmark Tests - August 2021

Postby ChopBlock223 » Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:49 am

Would Nvidia GPUs typically give the best performance with Vulkan then? I'm looking at a new computer sometime soon.
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Re: Benchmark Tests - August 2021

Postby Caligari87 » Sun Aug 22, 2021 10:54 am

Received test results from a user without a forum account. They did options 1, 2, 5, and 7. Reported a crash on Option 5, test 2 (GLES)

Update: User re-ran option 5 on a ramdisk and did not get a crash. Uploaded secondary results for this.

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Re: Benchmark Tests - August 2021

Postby Graf Zahl » Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:08 pm

So we can forget about that. Not that it worries me one bit - this was the most recent GPU I already had declared unsupported.
One thing to know here is that in this case LZDoom full and LZDoom GL2 are the same render path - the modern renderer never gets activated on this chipset due to the poor shader performance. So the only way to get a little bit of juice out of it is by running a naked GL2 fixed function renderer on it. Which excludes it from the support roster by default as there is no shader-less render path in GZDoom.

So even with the GLES renderer there's simply no point whatsoever to even think about supprting real GL2 hardware because if the HD3000 can't shoulder it, none of the rest will either.
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Re: Benchmark Tests - August 2021

Postby drfrag » Sun Aug 22, 2021 3:37 pm

I think that card could run the modern path with gl_riskymodernpath.
More benchmarks from another user (Gaia74) with a Geforce GT210.
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Re: Benchmark Tests - August 2021

Postby Graf Zahl » Sun Aug 22, 2021 3:42 pm

That CVAR no longer exists. But it doesn't matter. You can see from the GLES numbers that it is far, far too slow. This mirrors my experience with a HD3000 equipped Mac some 6 years ago. It was slow as shit with the fixed function path and totally unusable with shaders. It's a 10 year old, totally obsolete integrated chipset so there's nothing to expect.
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Re: Benchmark Tests - August 2021

Postby Graf Zahl » Sun Aug 22, 2021 3:48 pm

drfrag wrote:I think that card could run the modern path with gl_riskymodernpath.
More benchmarks from another user (Gaia74) with a Geforce GT210.



That's more like it. This hardware generation benefits greatly from the GLES backend.
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Re: Benchmark Tests - August 2021

Postby kadu522 » Sun Aug 22, 2021 6:20 pm

Is my laptop specs usefull to pass via the benchmark considering i can't even run LZdoom in openGL mode?
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Re: Benchmark Tests - August 2021

Postby Rachael » Sun Aug 22, 2021 8:16 pm

The benchmarks are not set up to run anything other than OpenGL or Vulkan, so if you can't run OpenGL then no the benchmarks won't be too useful.
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Re: Benchmark Tests - August 2021

Postby Redead-ITA » Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:21 am

Here are my results, i changed my laptop hdd to an ssd but outside of that i have been wondering why the darkest hour just showed the menu and thats it so i would usually start a new game in it, if it is necessary il redo the tests with darkest hour, outside all instances of gzdoom and lzdoom run fine with mostly lag spikes, there was a crash when i tabbed out of the first test in option 5 but it happend only once so i redid the test on that one.
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here are the crash reports if you need them
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Re: Benchmark Tests - August 2021

Postby Proydoha » Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:24 am

Here are my results:
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Re: Benchmark Tests - August 2021

Postby Redneckerz » Mon Aug 23, 2021 2:14 pm

Here is mines, on Intel HD4600. Didn't run the Vulkan bench since i don't support that. The pipelining ones did kick in the processor a little, and the GLES version has some rather significant performance boosts (+20 FPS) on a few of the maps. Hope it is of use.
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Re: Benchmark Tests - August 2021

Postby lemming » Tue Aug 24, 2021 5:05 pm

Modern desktop hardware, discrete GPU.

Amusing how slow the bridge in Frozen Time is compared to...everything.
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Re: Benchmark Tests - August 2021

Postby Graf Zahl » Tue Aug 24, 2021 11:47 pm

It's one of the scenes in all existing Doom maps with the most rendered number of linedefs around - only recently surpassed by MAP02 of Archi-Tek. Were all those crossbeam bridges made from 3D floors the map would render 1.5x faster. I once made such a map for testing, but can't release it due to missing permissions.
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Re: Benchmark Tests - August 2021

Postby Rachael » Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:09 am

The crossbeam bridges aren't even the biggest problem in the scene as I understand it. Just - literally everything in the scene has so many linedefs, especially the cliffs on the sides. It's a prime example of everything to do in how *NOT* to make a map, at least if your intention is to make it playable and have a decent frame rate.

Yes - the result is beautiful (no question about that) - but is it really worth it in the end? :) It still beats 60 FPS in most renderers on modern systems though (with the monsters frozen in place, though) so I would say that is pretty good, all things considered. So that isn't an issue - at least until the monsters start processing ... then it's more of an issue again.
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