Image and Video Posting Rules

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Image and Video Posting Rules

Postby wildweasel » Sat Apr 22, 2017 12:22 am

Much like every other phpBB forum, it is possible to embed images in your forum posts using the img tag. For most images, this is all you will need to do, but for larger pictures, there are some things you should keep in mind. On older versions of the forum software, if an image was larger than the browser window, the forum layout would be messed up as it tried to expand the post to fit the image. Currently, though, phpBB will simply crop the image; it is possible to scroll it around, but there is no bar, so users have to use other means to do so, which isn't convenient, and large images also take up valuable bandwidth (not everyone has unlimited bandwidth, sadly). My hard rule is no images larger than 800 pixels wide.

So above all else, this is vital knowledge:
Spoiler tags DO NOT stop images and videos from loading! Spoiler tags make large images harder to view!
Directly embedding a large image, even behind a spoiler tag, is inconsiderate to users on limited bandwidth (such as mobile broadband, or Comcast customers) or users with small screens. I will suggest that, if you can't resize it any other way, it is better not to use an img tag, and use a url tag instead. Otherwise, read below for suggestions on how to shrink your images.

If you are going to post a very large image (especially screenshots of your mod at high resolutions, such as anything higher than 640x480), I highly recommend that you resize your image manually to a sane size before you upload. A program like Irfanview will be extremely handy for this. Please do not upload images wider than 800 pixels. For image hosting, we recommend an ad-free, hotlinkable service like imgur; sites like Photobucket and Dropbox often demand that you actually click through to their websites to view images, which is very inconvenient.

If it's too late to resize your images manually and you've already put them on Imgur, Imgur still has a "hidden" function that will generate them for you. When you upload to Imgur, you will get a link that looks a bit like this:
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[img]http://i.imgur.com/deqttQY.jpg[/img]

Imgur automatically creates several sizes of that image that you can invoke by adding one extra letter to the end of the filename:
  • A lowercase l turns it into a Large Thumbnail.
  • A lowercase m does a Medium one.
  • A lowercase s creates a Small one.
There are Tiny and Huge thumbnails as well, but please use the Large ones where applicable, as they're the most compatible with most peoples' browser sizes (and bandwidth - we can't forget bandwidth!). So in order to use these, pick the lowercase letter of your choice from that list and apply it like so:
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[img]http://i.imgur.com/deqttQYl.jpg[/img]

The lowercase letter should go at the end of the file's name, but BEFORE the file's extension. So instead of deqttQY.jpg, it should be deqttQYl.jpg.

If you're at all confused about how to do this, either resize your image manually before uploading, or contact a moderator and we'll rehost and resize it for you.

HOW TO USE YOUTUBE TAGS
By popular demand, ZDoom Forums can embed YouTube videos within your posts. There is a very specific way you must do this, however. First, copy the YouTube video URL. You can get this from your address bar or by clicking "Share" on the video's page and copying the URL. It should look like this:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUQIDRu92QE

In your post, use a youtube tag and copy only the video ID - that is, only the characters to the right of watch?v=. An example of how that should look in your post:
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[youtube]jUQIDRu92QE[/youtube]


To restate again from earlier: hiding your images and videos in Spoiler tags DOES NOT STOP THEM FROM LOADING. Browsers have crashed for less. If you NEED to post a lot of videos, post them as clickable links instead using the URL tags, for the sake of our sanity and everybody else's bandwidth.
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Re: Image and Video Posting Rules

Postby Enjay » Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:54 am

Although putting these types of items into spoilers does not prevent them loading, I have noticed that if I go to a thread with lots of videos posted, the page takes a long time to load and scrolling down the page is very jerky/stuttery. As a result, I sometimes avoid threads such as the what are you listening to and funny videos threads. If, however, the videos are in spoilers, I find scrolling through such threads easier/smoother. Given that it's not a loading issue, I'm not sure what it is, but it's definitely a thing for me.
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Re: Image and Video Posting Rules

Postby Tormentor667 » Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:54 pm

Just to mention something from the last century regarding image sizes and stuff: https://www.phpbb.com/customise/db/mod/ ... e_resizer/
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Re: Image and Video Posting Rules

Postby wildweasel » Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:06 pm

Does this also affect the download size, or does it simply download the entire image and resize it client-side?
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Re: Image and Video Posting Rules

Postby Tormentor667 » Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:21 pm

I just checked the sourcecode of the mod to be sure and from my understanding, it creates a smaller version of the original image with the appropriate limitations and saves it directly on the server where the phpBB is. It then places the image into the thread/post and links the original image (can be done through a lightbox for aesthetic reasons) - so yes, it actually does everything that is needed to be done. Saves work for the mods and work for the users.
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Re: Image and Video Posting Rules

Postby wildweasel » Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:36 pm

Well then, what remains is for someone to install it...assuming ZDF has enough server space to accommodate all of that.
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Re: Image and Video Posting Rules

Postby Tormentor667 » Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:17 am

I am fond with installing mods to phpBB boards, so if you need my help, just let me know.
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Re: Image and Video Posting Rules

Postby Rachael » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:44 am

How is it rocket science to simply not post such large images? It's an easy rule to follow, really - easy enough that most of the rest of the forum has absolutely no trouble with it whatsoever. You can use imgur to help you with it - it's very convenient and quick.

I am not installing forum mods willy-nilly just because you suddenly and arbitrarily decided (without my consultation) that it needs to be done. After seeing the way Realm667 is run - no offense but I want none of that, here. Some people may like it - I don't.

And of course, it will inevitably lead into an argument because you expect me to explain myself in very fine and specific detail that you really don't need to know in the first place and will argue against and offer even more "magical solutions" for, which would only slip us deeper and deeper into the very rabbit hole I am trying to avoid.

Tormentor: Exercise some personal responsibility and be considerate to your forum mates. Don't expect forum software to save you at every corner. And instead of whining and complaining like you frequently do about the forum software being outdated - how about you instead develop or find me extensions that are blocking the phpBB 3.2 upgrade? (Specifically, topic tags and image previews) Be a part of the solution - instead of trying to micromanage things from afar and disrespectfully trying to tell me how to do things. Oh - And one more thing: No, we're not installing Kunena, or any software other than phpBB. That is non-negotiable and goes along the very same lines as the rest of this post.

If you're such a pro/expert at it, let's see your magical solutions materialize into something that's actually productive and helpful, here.
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Re: Image and Video Posting Rules

Postby Tormentor667 » Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:35 pm

Rachael wrote:How is it rocket science to simply not post such large images? It's an easy rule to follow, really - easy enough that most of the rest of the forum has absolutely no trouble with it whatsoever. You can use imgur to help you with it - it's very convenient and quick.

Simply because it is not user-friendly and old-fashioned. Rachael, I could start mapping with ZETH again just as in 2005 but why do I stick to GZDoomBuilder? Because it's easier to handle, it's faster and is the better solution. You have already been bullish when it came to the new ZDoom page and the new ZDoom logo and I expected you to continue exactly the way you do. In my eyes, there are better choices than you running and mainting the ZDoom forum as highest instance - sorry if I sound harsh, but it's exactly what I feel. The question is not why I don't want to follow rules, the question is why are you not interested in improving the forum with an automatic system that moderates cases where images are too large?
Rachael wrote:I am not installing forum mods willy-nilly just because you suddenly and arbitrarily decided (without my consultation) that it needs to be done. After seeing the way Realm667 is run - no offense but I want none of that, here. Some people may like it - I don't.

Generalization is something that definitely doesn't lead somewhere. The Realm667 runs very good imo, not perfect but I did my best to make the user-experience as good as possible, be a place where people get what the need the easy way, no matter if it is download stuff, information or news about the community - and the visitor statistics speak for themselves. So what is the difference between me and you? Quite simple: I read suggestions and I am doing something about them instead of negating everything because I can.
Rachael wrote:And of course, it will inevitably lead into an argument because you expect me to explain myself in very fine and specific detail that you really don't need to know in the first place and will argue against and offer even more "magical solutions" for, which would only slip us deeper and deeper into the very rabbit hole I am trying to avoid.

Sure, there is no duty for you to explain your decisions, it's your page, your forum but also your responsibility. You can stand your attitude and simply ignore me because you don't have to explain yourself, but then you proof once again that you are not the right person to run this place.
Rachael wrote:Tormentor: Exercise some personal responsibility and be considerate to your forum mates. Don't expect forum software to save you at every corner. And instead of whining and complaining like you frequently do about the forum software being outdated - how about you instead develop or find me extensions that are blocking the phpBB 3.2 upgrade?

You simply do it the easy way don't you?! There are hundred and thousands of active developers in the phpBB community, there is absolutely no need to switch to a different forum software but this requires some active work from the maintainer of this page - in this special case looking actively for help in the communities what you obviously miss to do. Even if some developers would charge money for that, what's the problem? The community is generous, even I would donate a few bucks to get the job done and I know that it isn't much work to adapt 2 mods for phpBB 3.2 if you are used to the programming structure of the software.

And regarding any offerings: I volunteered doing the base design and structure of the new ZDoom page, I did it, and it took me a while. I volunteered working on the new engine logos for all 3 forks, I did it, and it took me another while. I volunteered to create a new phpBB theme that fits the new page design, there was no need for it a year ago as you said you are currently concentrating on phpBB 3.2 so I simply paused on that. Telling me I should be part of the solution instead of whining and complaining - this is what is disrespectful my dear, nothing else after all I have helped here. If you can't handle suggestions for improvements and take everything personal, it is another reason for me why I consider you to be the wrong choice as the head for hosting and maintaining the ZDoom community.
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Re: Image and Video Posting Rules

Postby wildweasel » Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:15 pm

Enough already!
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Re: Image and Video Posting Rules

Postby Rachael » Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:33 pm

For reference: I am quite open to suggestions and ideas.

But not ones that I feel like are being forced or very heavily pushed on me. If at any point I feel like I don't have an option to say "No" - that's exactly what I will say. Don't try to walk on me like a carpet, don't try to take advantage of me, and don't try to manipulate me. The very next time I have to face down an argument like this, Tormentor - I will take steps to ensure that my own sanity, as well as everyone else's, is protected.
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