Strange Aeons v5.7

[Dr. Crowley]

And another question - is there any chance for version for Zandronum (at least in future)?

[ImpieTwo]

Sad that even in the latest version the problem with missing polygons in GZDoom (using OpenGL renderer) wasn't fixed.

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----E1M1----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.016 seconds.
----E1M2----
   BSP: 100.0%
Unclosed subsector 352, from (1328,-176) to (1397,-246)
Unclosed subsector 353, from (1397,-246) to (1328,-176)
   0.027 seconds.
----E1M3----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.033 seconds.
----E1M4----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.037 seconds.
----E1M5----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.039 seconds.
----E1M6----
   BSP: 100.0%
Unclosed subsector 287, from (-1392,-1872) to (-1323,-1942)
Unclosed subsector 288, from (-1323,-1942) to (-1392,-1872)
Unclosed subsector 604, from (5528,2776) to (5458,2845)
Unclosed subsector 605, from (5458,2845) to (5528,2776)
   0.036 seconds.
----E1M7----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.037 seconds.
----E1M8----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.029 seconds.
----E1M9----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.062 seconds.
----E2M1----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.028 seconds.
----E2M2----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.039 seconds.
----E2M3----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.028 seconds.
----E2M4----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.042 seconds.
----E2M5----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.037 seconds.
----E2M6----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.052 seconds.
----E2M7----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.046 seconds.
----E2M8----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.024 seconds.
----E2M9----
   BSP: 100.0%
Unclosed subsector 833, from (4384,1376) to (4371,1208)
Unclosed subsector 834, from (4384,1384) to (4384,1376)
Unclosed subsector 835, from (4371,1208) to (4384,1384)
   0.053 seconds.
----E3M1----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.028 seconds.
----E3M2----
   BSP: 100.0%
Unclosed subsector 853, from (-8192,1440) to (-8000,1492)
Unclosed subsector 854, from (-8427,1376) to (-8192,1440)
Unclosed subsector 855, from (-8000,1492) to (-8427,1376)
   0.043 seconds.
----E3M3----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.050 seconds.
----E3M4----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.070 seconds.
----E3M5----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.044 seconds.
----E3M6----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.038 seconds.
----E3M7----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.027 seconds.
----E3M8----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.013 seconds.
----E3M9----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.011 seconds.
----E4M1----
   BSP: 100.0%
Unclosed subsector 229, from (1472,2885) to (1600,2795)
Unclosed subsector 233, from (1600,2795) to (1920,2784)
Unclosed subsector 234, from (1920,2784) to (2240,2711)
Unclosed subsector 237, from (2240,2711) to (2208,3190)
Unclosed subsector 240, from (2208,3190) to (1472,2885)
Unclosed subsector 498, from (873,-1920) to (939,-1766)
Unclosed subsector 504, from (939,-1766) to (928,-1792)
Unclosed subsector 507, from (928,-1792) to (901,-1854)
Unclosed subsector 507, from (928,-1792) to (873,-1920)
   0.039 seconds.
----E4M2----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.040 seconds.
----E4M3----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.029 seconds.
----E4M4----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.042 seconds.
----E4M5----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.046 seconds.
----E4M6----
   BSP: 100.0%
Unclosed subsector 159, from (-4736,7008) to (-4736,6784)
Unclosed subsector 160, from (-4736,6784) to (-4782,6720)
Unclosed subsector 161, from (-4608,7136) to (-4736,7008)
Unclosed subsector 162, from (-4500,7114) to (-4608,7136)
Unclosed subsector 165, from (-4782,6720) to (-4480,6624)
Unclosed subsector 166, from (-4480,6624) to (-4500,7114)
   0.029 seconds.
----E4M7----
   BSP: 100.0%
Unclosed subsector 308, from (1760,-1698) to (1472,-1721)
Unclosed subsector 313, from (1472,-1721) to (1760,-1698)
Unclosed subsector 332, from (1787,-96) to (1842,0)
Unclosed subsector 336, from (1842,0) to (1824,-32)
Unclosed subsector 337, from (1824,-32) to (1787,-96)
Unclosed subsector 502, from (384,-1622) to (160,-1618)
Unclosed subsector 503, from (160,-1618) to (384,-1622)
Unclosed subsector 834, from (-1888,3264) to (-2651,3224)
Unclosed subsector 837, from (-1808,3180) to (-1840,3213)
Unclosed subsector 840, from (-1840,3213) to (-1888,3264)
Unclosed subsector 846, from (-2560,3040) to (-2496,3066)
Unclosed subsector 847, from (-2651,3224) to (-2560,3040)
Unclosed subsector 851, from (-2176,3200) to (-1808,3180)
Unclosed subsector 852, from (-2496,3066) to (-2176,3200)
   0.046 seconds.
----E4M8----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.013 seconds.
----E4M9----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.037 seconds.
----E5M1----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.018 seconds.
----E5M2----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.027 seconds.
----E5M3----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.051 seconds.
----E5M4----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.031 seconds.
----E5M5----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.054 seconds.
----E5M6----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.074 seconds.
----E5M7----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.063 seconds.
----E5M8----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.023 seconds.
----E5M9----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.042 seconds.

Total time: 1.762 seconds.


Every Unclosed subsector ... warning is a potential problem for hardware renderer. Some of them are probably invisible to player, some are noticeable for sure, like on E4M1.
ImpieTwo, do you need help with fixing this? Sorry for bothering if the issue is ignored intentionally.

I never found a fix for this that actually worked. I myself have been unable to produce the bug on any source port, so I'm not sure what to do about it.

And as for Zandronum, probably not.

[_mental_]

I never found a fix for this that actually worked. I myself have been unable to produce the bug on any source port, so I'm not sure what to do about it.

Using the latest GZDoom:

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gzdoom.exe -nomonsters -iwad doom.wad -file strangeaeonsv531.pk3 +map e4m1 +warp 420 320
gzdoom.exe -nomonsters -iwad doom.wad -file strangeaeonsv531.pk3 +map e4m1 +warp 1400 2900

Screenshot_Doom_20160630_150142.jpg

Screenshot_Doom_20160630_150200.jpg

The solution is simple: use fractional vertex coordinates with caution.
In fact, it's impossible to be 100% sure that these vertices will not cause missing subsectors until you invoke the node builder from command line and check its output.
At least, I found no way to reveal such warnings in GZDoomBuilder.

[ImpieTwo]

So how do I adjust the vertexes exactly? I tried shifting them around before to no avail, according to my tester. Do I just drag them 'til their coordinates are a certain number?

[_mental_]

So how do I adjust the vertexes exactly? I tried shifting them around before to no avail, according to my tester. Do I just drag them 'til their coordinates are a certain number?

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Set the grid size to 1 mp. Make sure in the main menu that Edit -> Snap to Grid is active.

gzdb_grid_size.png

Open a map that have warnings in the log I posted before. I'll use my favorite E4M1.

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Unclosed subsector 229, from (1472,2885) to (1600,2795)
Unclosed subsector 233, from (1600,2795) to (1920,2784)
Unclosed subsector 234, from (1920,2784) to (2240,2711)
Unclosed subsector 237, from (2240,2711) to (2208,3190)
Unclosed subsector 240, from (2208,3190) to (1472,2885)
Unclosed subsector 498, from (873,-1920) to (939,-1766)
Unclosed subsector 504, from (939,-1766) to (928,-1792)
Unclosed subsector 507, from (928,-1792) to (901,-1854)
Unclosed subsector 507, from (928,-1792) to (873,-1920)

Looks like we have to problems here because the first 4 subsectors share coordinates, the same for other subsuctors. Let's take a look at the first issue.
Locate sector that uses the given coordinates. It's a sector #55. Switch to vertex mode (shortcut 'V') and hover over each vertex of this sector. Here is an example of offending one:

gzdb_vertex_mode.png

Now you have two options:

• Drag a vertex with the right mouse button to the nearest grid intersection
• Double-click or right-click on a vertex and delete the fractional part in Edit Vertex window

gzdb_edit_vertex.png

Hope this helps.

P.S. I think I can even write a tool that strips fractional parts from all vertices in all maps. Let me know if you are interested in such tool.

EDIT: As a side note I'm really curious why did you put music with maps into the single shudmaps.wad file? You are constantly saving the same but useless ~50 MB while editing a map.

[ImpieTwo]

How are you suppose to open this?
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/41236265/forum%20thread%2020160517/Screenshot_Doom_20160517_164713.png

Geez, I'm sorry, Jack. Your post got lost in all the other posts I guess.

That's a tricky one unless you remembered the fusebox from E1M5.

EDIT: As a side note I'm really curious why did you put music with maps into the single shudmaps.wad file? You are constantly saving the same but useless ~50 MB while editing a map.

Because I do absolutely everything the hardest, most anal-retentive way possible by default. I also use Doom Builder 2, not GZDoom stuff.

I don't actually edit the maps in the pk3, I mess with the wad files and when they're ready, add them to the pk3 afterward. I suppose I could just move the music files to their own wad or something.

I'll take a look at what you posted and see if I can do anything with it.

EDIT: Okay, I think I found all the offending vertices and fixed them, and made a few other minor tweaks while I was at it. I'll upload version 5.3.2 within the next 24 hours. If you could run the test for me again to see if I missed any, I'd greatly appreciate it.

EDIT2: Annnnd I didn't include the pk3. Christ...

[ImpieTwo]

5.3.3 is now available. Just has a minor fix: an extra clue to the hardest puzzle on E5M9.

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[_mental_]

If you could run the test for me again to see if I missed any, I'd greatly appreciate it.

You can check for issues by yourself. Execute the following from Doom Builder's installation directory, with proper path to shudmaps.wad:

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Compilers\Nodebuilders\zdbsp.exe -w full\path\to\shudmaps.wad

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----E1M1----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.026 seconds.
----E1M2----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.023 seconds.
----E1M3----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.029 seconds.
----E1M4----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.037 seconds.
----E1M5----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.031 seconds.
----E1M6----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.031 seconds.
----E1M7----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.036 seconds.
----E1M8----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.029 seconds.
----E1M9----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.061 seconds.
----E2M1----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.028 seconds.
----E2M2----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.039 seconds.
----E2M3----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.028 seconds.
----E2M4----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.039 seconds.
----E2M5----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.033 seconds.
----E2M6----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.051 seconds.
----E2M7----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.043 seconds.
----E2M8----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.024 seconds.
----E2M9----
   BSP: 100.0%
Unclosed subsector 833, from (4384,1376) to (4371,1208)
Unclosed subsector 834, from (4384,1384) to (4384,1376)
Unclosed subsector 835, from (4371,1208) to (4384,1384)
   0.054 seconds.
----E3M1----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.028 seconds.
----E3M2----
   BSP: 100.0%
Unclosed subsector 853, from (-8192,1440) to (-8000,1492)
Unclosed subsector 854, from (-8427,1376) to (-8192,1440)
Unclosed subsector 855, from (-8000,1492) to (-8427,1376)
   0.043 seconds.
----E3M3----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.049 seconds.
----E3M4----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.070 seconds.
----E3M5----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.043 seconds.
----E3M6----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.038 seconds.
----E3M7----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.027 seconds.
----E3M8----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.013 seconds.
----E3M9----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.012 seconds.
----E4M1----
   BSP: 100.0%
Unclosed subsector 779, from (873,-1920) to (941,-1760)
Unclosed subsector 785, from (941,-1760) to (928,-1792)
Unclosed subsector 786, from (928,-1792) to (873,-1920)
   0.037 seconds.
----E4M2----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.041 seconds.
----E4M3----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.029 seconds.
----E4M4----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.043 seconds.
----E4M5----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.047 seconds.
----E4M6----
   BSP: 100.0%
Unclosed subsector 159, from (-4736,7008) to (-4736,6784)
Unclosed subsector 160, from (-4736,6784) to (-4782,6720)
Unclosed subsector 161, from (-4608,7136) to (-4736,7008)
Unclosed subsector 162, from (-4500,7114) to (-4608,7136)
Unclosed subsector 165, from (-4782,6720) to (-4480,6624)
Unclosed subsector 166, from (-4480,6624) to (-4500,7114)
   0.029 seconds.
----E4M7----
   BSP: 100.0%
Unclosed subsector 308, from (1760,-1698) to (1472,-1721)
Unclosed subsector 313, from (1472,-1721) to (1760,-1698)
Unclosed subsector 833, from (-1888,3264) to (-2651,3224)
Unclosed subsector 836, from (-1808,3180) to (-1840,3213)
Unclosed subsector 839, from (-1840,3213) to (-1888,3264)
Unclosed subsector 845, from (-2560,3040) to (-2496,3066)
Unclosed subsector 846, from (-2651,3224) to (-2560,3040)
Unclosed subsector 850, from (-2176,3200) to (-1808,3180)
Unclosed subsector 851, from (-2496,3066) to (-2176,3200)
   0.046 seconds.
----E4M8----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.013 seconds.
----E4M9----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.037 seconds.
----E5M1----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.019 seconds.
----E5M2----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.027 seconds.
----E5M3----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.053 seconds.
----E5M4----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.034 seconds.
----E5M5----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.056 seconds.
----E5M6----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.075 seconds.
----E5M7----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.063 seconds.
----E5M8----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.024 seconds.
----E5M9----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.043 seconds.

[ImpieTwo]

Sorry, everyone, apparently it didn't register the download change or something. The download was still 5.3.2 this whole time, not the update I'd advertised. This has been fixed.

Explains why your test showed the exact same results as last time. Man, everything I do is a comedy of errors.

[_mental_]

I downloaded 5.3.3 and I didn't notice any differences in terms of warnings:

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----E1M1----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.014 seconds.
----E1M2----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.025 seconds.
----E1M3----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.032 seconds.
----E1M4----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.040 seconds.
----E1M5----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.040 seconds.
----E1M6----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.039 seconds.
----E1M7----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.049 seconds.
----E1M8----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.033 seconds.
----E1M9----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.079 seconds.
----E2M1----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.027 seconds.
----E2M2----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.039 seconds.
----E2M3----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.029 seconds.
----E2M4----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.039 seconds.
----E2M5----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.037 seconds.
----E2M6----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.058 seconds.
----E2M7----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.051 seconds.
----E2M8----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.026 seconds.
----E2M9----
   BSP: 100.0%
Unclosed subsector 833, from (4384,1376) to (4371,1208)
Unclosed subsector 834, from (4384,1384) to (4384,1376)
Unclosed subsector 835, from (4371,1208) to (4384,1384)
   0.062 seconds.
----E3M1----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.034 seconds.
----E3M2----
   BSP: 100.0%
Unclosed subsector 853, from (-8192,1440) to (-8000,1492)
Unclosed subsector 854, from (-8427,1376) to (-8192,1440)
Unclosed subsector 855, from (-8000,1492) to (-8427,1376)
   0.044 seconds.
----E3M3----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.048 seconds.
----E3M4----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.075 seconds.
----E3M5----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.043 seconds.
----E3M6----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.044 seconds.
----E3M7----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.027 seconds.
----E3M8----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.013 seconds.
----E3M9----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.012 seconds.
----E4M1----
   BSP: 100.0%
Unclosed subsector 779, from (873,-1920) to (941,-1760)
Unclosed subsector 785, from (941,-1760) to (928,-1792)
Unclosed subsector 786, from (928,-1792) to (873,-1920)
   0.039 seconds.
----E4M2----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.046 seconds.
----E4M3----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.035 seconds.
----E4M4----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.045 seconds.
----E4M5----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.051 seconds.
----E4M6----
   BSP: 100.0%
Unclosed subsector 159, from (-4736,7008) to (-4736,6784)
Unclosed subsector 160, from (-4736,6784) to (-4782,6720)
Unclosed subsector 161, from (-4608,7136) to (-4736,7008)
Unclosed subsector 162, from (-4500,7114) to (-4608,7136)
Unclosed subsector 165, from (-4782,6720) to (-4480,6624)
Unclosed subsector 166, from (-4480,6624) to (-4500,7114)
   0.032 seconds.
----E4M7----
   BSP: 100.0%
Unclosed subsector 308, from (1760,-1698) to (1472,-1721)
Unclosed subsector 313, from (1472,-1721) to (1760,-1698)
Unclosed subsector 833, from (-1888,3264) to (-2651,3224)
Unclosed subsector 836, from (-1808,3180) to (-1840,3213)
Unclosed subsector 839, from (-1840,3213) to (-1888,3264)
Unclosed subsector 845, from (-2560,3040) to (-2496,3066)
Unclosed subsector 846, from (-2651,3224) to (-2560,3040)
Unclosed subsector 850, from (-2176,3200) to (-1808,3180)
Unclosed subsector 851, from (-2496,3066) to (-2176,3200)
   0.046 seconds.
----E4M8----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.014 seconds.
----E4M9----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.044 seconds.
----E5M1----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.023 seconds.
----E5M2----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.033 seconds.
----E5M3----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.052 seconds.
----E5M4----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.041 seconds.
----E5M5----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.056 seconds.
----E5M6----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.074 seconds.
----E5M7----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.066 seconds.
----E5M8----
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.028 seconds.
----E5M9----
Sectors 171 at (-21172,6744) and 214 at (-21172,6732) don't match.
Sectors 171 at (-21172,6732) and 214 at (-21180,6732) don't match.
Sectors 171 at (-21204,6744) and 214 at (-21204,6732) don't match.
Sectors 214 at (-21164,6732) and 171 at (-21164,6744) don't match.
   BSP: 100.0%
   0.057 seconds.

The single difference between this and previous log is new type of warnings for E5M9. I'll check them later.

[ImpieTwo]

Yeah, that tool you suggested making is starting to look more appealing by the minute. I have no idea what's wrong with e5m9.

[Lexus Alyus]

Just like to say I've been playing this mod quite a lot recently and I'm loving every second of it! I love the music and the whole new bestiary. I'm really impressed with the atmosphere you've created and I'm enjoying the difficulty, as it's not too over the top and much more enjoyable for me . I'd say this is definitely one of the more original Doom mods I've played!

I love the idea behind the second episode boss, even though it is a right bastard

The first episode actually reminded me of some of the dreams I used to have

Definitely looking forward to more mods by you!

[ImpieTwo]

Thanks Lexus! Appreciate the support.

[ImpieTwo]

Updated to 5.3.4, mostly to fix an issue I didn't notice with the skies: when playing on Doom 2, older versions use default Doom 2 skies and not the ones I intended. This is now fixed.

EDIT: Also uploading a separate download for Doom 2, which includes the correct textures from Ultimate Doom.

[MaxED]

Here is the guide.

Here's better one:
1. Set grid size to 1.
2. Select all map verts.
3. Edit -> Snap selection to grid.