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Re: [WIP] Adventures of Kittie

PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 4:49 pm
by wildweasel
Okay, does anybody actually have a problem with the project, as in a serious problem, or is everybody just being sarcastic?

Re: [WIP] Adventures of Kittie

PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 4:52 pm
by mallo
It's a ripoff of tAoS. Isn't that a problem?

Re: [WIP] Adventures of Kittie

PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 4:54 pm
by Shadelight
I'm pretty sure they're all being entirely serious. Except for the beta/alpha troll post. As Jimmy mentioned, yeah, it does look like a ripped Square. :/

Re: [WIP] Adventures of Kittie

PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:02 pm
by CruX
That's kinda what I'm wondering. Jimmy's list seemed really silly and nitpicky, I'm kind of wondering if he wasn't just being facetious.

mallo wrote:I see. I bet they work the same.


I see a similarity in the shape and maybe they could "work" the same way, but that really isn't sufficient grounds for claiming resource theft IMO. Far as the vent texture is concerned, I haven't taken a look at the texture in Adventures of Square. I saw the word "vent", opened up editart, and made this in like, ten minutes...

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Now I have taken a look at the vent texture in Adventures of Square, and really you could say I "stole" from that as well because they look pretty dang similar, but in reality I had no idea what the texture looked like when I made mine...

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I think this is sort of the burden you get with textures when you're working with a max of 6-7 colors.

Re: [WIP] Adventures of Kittie

PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:04 pm
by Jimmy
Ed the Bat wrote:
Jimmy wrote:- The weapon in the first shot. Yeah, that doesn't look like anything else.

I don't see the resemblance. This one certainly looks a lot less like Duke Nukem's Chaingun Cannon, anyway.
There's definitely a resemblance.

- It's multi-barrel.
- It's a grey centered trapezoid.
- The hand is on the left and clenched around a handle.

Re: [WIP] Adventures of Kittie

PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:05 pm
by XutaWoo
Regardless of all the other stuff, I'd like to point out that an anthromorphic cat with an outfit that clearly shows off her breasts has connotations that don't really fit the DOOM community in general.

If you're not going for some furry fanservice, a change in wardrobe is recommended. Something more fitting for an actual action girl, instead of a model with "action" poorly staple in front of it. Cargo pants and a tank top or t-shirt, for example, would be good. Or go more stylish, with a trenchcoat and either a fedora or sunglasses. Cartoony or not, a bikini is just kind of sexist and opens up whole cans of worms.

Re: [WIP] Adventures of Kittie

PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:06 pm
by Ed the Bat
Globe wrote:That's kinda what I'm wondering. Jimmy's list seemed really silly and nitpicky, I'm kind of wondering if he wasn't just being facetious.

I sure thought so. After all, it's not like he's made the first MSPaint-style mod (The Stick Figure, for instance), or even the first one based on shapes (LizardCommando's ShapeSearch).

On the other hand, the bottle of drink pictured in that one screenshot hits a little close to home, so even I'm not entirely without suspicions.

XutaWoo wrote:Regardless of all the other stuff, I'd like to point out that an anthromorphic cat with an outfit that clearly shows off her breasts has connotations that don't really fit the DOOM community in general.

If you're not going for some furry fanservice, a change in wardrobe is recommended. Something more fitting for an actual action girl, instead of a model with "action" poorly staple in front of it. Cargo pants and a tank top or t-shirt, for example, would be good. Or go more stylish, with a trenchcoat and either a fedora or sunglasses. Cartoony or not, a bikini is just kind of sexist and opens up whole cans of worms.

I disagree completely. This was the main draw for me.

Jimmy wrote:There's definitely a resemblance.

- It's multi-barrel.
- It's a grey centered trapezoid.
- The hand is on the left and clenched around a handle.

So... proof that Square ripped off Duke's Chaingun Cannon!

Re: [WIP] Adventures of Kittie

PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:09 pm
by Jimmy
Also:

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At this point I don't care whether it was ripped or not, it looks exactly the same.

Re: [WIP] Adventures of Kittie

PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:11 pm
by TerminusEst13
Ed the Bat wrote:
Globe wrote:That's kinda what I'm wondering. Jimmy's list seemed really silly and nitpicky, I'm kind of wondering if he wasn't just being facetious.

I sure thought so. After all, it's not like he's made the first MSPaint-style mod (The Stick Figure, for instance), or even the first one based on shapes (LizardCommando's ShapeSearch).


MSPaint Doom and Believer are two more.

The latter of which Jinal would probably love, but that's another topic for another time. :p

Re: [WIP] Adventures of Kittie

PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:13 pm
by XutaWoo
Ed the Bat wrote:I disagree completely. This was the main draw for me.

Sure, there's a niche for this, but I'd think the tale of Catyenka Ivanovna the Purrussian detective that solves mysteries by running through flowerly fields and shooting random enemies would be more appealing to the broad audience than Kittie the bikini-wearing cat.

This is the kind of project that can get away with a lot of farce and silliness by nature, so a more solid character could really help. After all, (skippable) film noir-styled cutscenes that are overdramatic despite basically only being "this cat person shot a bunch of people in a flower field" could really help ease tensions to the audience, since it draws it more from the furry crowd to the parody cartoon.

Re: [WIP] Adventures of Kittie

PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:16 pm
by Ed the Bat
XutaWoo wrote:...the tale of Catyenka Ivanovna the Purrussian detective that solves mysteries by running through flowerly fields and shooting random enemies... film noir-styled cutscenes that are overdramatic despite basically only being "this cat person shot a bunch of people in a flower field"...

This also sounds like it would greatly appeal to me. That's just good writing, right there.

Re: [WIP] Adventures of Kittie

PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:20 pm
by CruX
Jimmy wrote:At this point I don't care whether it was ripped or not, it looks exactly the same.

Yeah, but the issue is that if you're trying to make a "vent" or "duct" texture for some MS-paint project where the goal is to keep color variance to a minimum, getting the same results isn't that inconceivable. If I was just a little lazier and didn't add those extra patches on my own texture, it would've wound up exactly the same as yours.

Re: [WIP] Adventures of Kittie

PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:21 pm
by Jimmy
Oh and by the way, Lizard Squad didn't have a purple titlepic, vividly bright green grass, big cubic structures, or fucking lemonade bottles.

Re: [WIP] Adventures of Kittie

PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:31 pm
by Jimmy
Globe wrote:
Jimmy wrote:At this point I don't care whether it was ripped or not, it looks exactly the same.

Yeah, but the issue is that if you're trying to make a "vent" or "duct" texture for some MS-paint project where the goal is to keep color variance to a minimum, getting the same results isn't that inconceivable. If I was just a little lazier and didn't add those extra patches on my own texture, it would've wound up exactly the same as yours.

But the fact that Square has been released so recently means that it's (probably) still fresh in everyone's minds. The demo's been out barely a fortnight. Some folks are still giving me criticism and feedback on delicate issues such as the weapon balancing. I've recently had mappers come forward and express interest in being part of the project's eventual mapping team. So while I don't wish to toot my horn, it would seem as though it's had something of an impact on the community. Which is great - if I can provide a bit of inspiration for fellow modders or potential mappers, then great - I don't object to you making a mod of your own that looks MSPainty or cartoony, as I know I'm not the one to come up with the concept. Just don't make it look almost friggin' identical.

Re: [WIP] Adventures of Kittie

PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:32 pm
by TerminusEst13
Jimmy wrote:Oh and by the way, Lizard Squad didn't have a purple titlepic,


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Jimmy wrote:vividly bright green grass,


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Jimmy wrote:big cubic structures,


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Jimmy wrote:or fucking lemonade bottles.


It's lime bottles. Does that count? :p