[v0.3 BETA Update] Doom Fighters

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Re: [BETA Release] Doom Fighters

Postby Baratus » Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:34 am

Excellent, gave this a go in a couple of levelsets, and it's a very promising transformation of Doom's usual gameplay! It's quite satisfying to wail on enemies and hurl them across the map, even if it generally takes longer to kill some enemies than the Vanilla doom experience, but a very fun and cathartic time nonetheless.

Will you be planning to add special moves or utility moves in future? Like a wall-kick, or special moves activated by specific inputs, or on cooldowns like Doom 2016's equipment? This is an excellent foundation and I would love to see it built upon even more.
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Re: [BETA Release] Doom Fighters

Postby Carrotear » Mon Oct 11, 2021 9:18 am

I uploaded this yesterday and forgot to share it here. But gosh damn, I played this with so many different setups it'd be like 3 pages long of a single comment if I list them here.
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Re: [BETA Release] Doom Fighters

Postby dard98 » Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:59 am

It would be nice to add some firearms to pick up for one time use. Some levels need that to progress.
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Re: [BETA Release] Doom Fighters

Postby BradmanX » Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:20 pm

dard98 wrote:It would be nice to add some firearms to pick up for one time use. Some levels need that to progress.

Some more weapons in general would be nice, the weapon selection is fairly limited for a beat 'em up style mod. I also agree, some ranged weapons would also be a good idea for maps with hit switches or enemies out of reach.
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Re: [BETA Release] Doom Fighters

Postby Spaceman333 » Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:44 pm

For those ranged encounters I'd rather vote for these tools to be added:

  • a grapling hook to pull enemies/barrels towards (in groups or individually) and to move around the level for the player too.

  • a serrated spear on a chain (some sort of returnable harpoon basically) as a ranged weapon with many applications for throwing, pulling and pinning enemies to walls temporarily. And as a semi-melee weapon, almost like the old God of War games.

  • an enemy teleporter (relocate any line of sight enemies to your position and confuse/stun them), allowing you to wail on them.

Guns or thrown weapons would seem wrong for this mod imo. :nope:

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(btw holy shit this mod is super cool : O)
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Re: [BETA Release] Doom Fighters

Postby zheg » Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:23 pm

hi everyone, i read all the messsges and suggestions.
this is just the beta release, firearms, ranged weapons and melee weapons will
be added in future versions with alot of new content.
be patient, ill pulish this mod very well.
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Re: [BETA Release] Doom Fighters

Postby MentzWolf » Tue Oct 12, 2021 12:21 am

Finally, a true to form beat-em-up mod for Doom!!
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Re: [BETA Release] Doom Fighters

Postby drfrag » Tue Oct 12, 2021 1:59 am

PatCatz2004 wrote:the doomguy model just doesn't show up for me, and I was using LZDOOM too

But are you using the OpenGL renderer? BTW there's an option to enable models in the Carmack software renderer too.
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Re: [BETA Release] Doom Fighters

Postby hitmanx » Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:51 am

Dude, this is amazing. So much fun, the moves so far are really satisfying, great sound effects. Can't wait for future versions!

Never seen something like this done before. I love the fresh ideas this community continues to come up with.
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Re: [BETA Release] Doom Fighters

Postby dawnbreez » Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:59 am

There's only three things I'd change about what you've released so far:
1. Give the jumping punch a bit of lift, for DMC-style air combos. Either that or replace it with a falling kick, similar to the sword's air attacks.
2. Speaking of, the sword's air attacks feel kinda wimpy damage-wise, given the visuals. It also doesn't feel right to land directly on a monster's head and just kinda stop there. I would increase the damage, and add some end lag to the attack, so that it becomes a more risky but high-damage move.
3. And finally, I'd increase the jump height and give the flying kick a bit of downward velocity to compensate. I struggle to hit anything that's in the air (hello, cacodemons) without tossing smaller enemies at them; this change would give me some options for taking flying swings at them, and give me more of a window to use the flying kick and sword drop, while the added downward velocity on the kick means you can still throw flying kicks out in close quarters. Alternatively, give me a double-jump--that'd let me control my height more easily.
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Re: [BETA Release] Doom Fighters

Postby zheg » Tue Oct 12, 2021 11:03 am

dawnbreez wrote:There's only three things I'd change about what you've released so far:
1. Give the jumping punch a bit of lift, for DMC-style air combos. Either that or replace it with a falling kick, similar to the sword's air attacks.
2. Speaking of, the sword's air attacks feel kinda wimpy damage-wise, given the visuals. It also doesn't feel right to land directly on a monster's head and just kinda stop there. I would increase the damage, and add some end lag to the attack, so that it becomes a more risky but high-damage move.
3. And finally, I'd increase the jump height and give the flying kick a bit of downward velocity to compensate. I struggle to hit anything that's in the air (hello, cacodemons) without tossing smaller enemies at them; this change would give me some options for taking flying swings at them, and give me more of a window to use the flying kick and sword drop, while the added downward velocity on the kick means you can still throw flying kicks out in close quarters. Alternatively, give me a double-jump--that'd let me control my height more easily.

i already worked with that, ill release a version soon
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Re: [BETA Release] Doom Fighters

Postby Darlos » Tue Oct 12, 2021 2:56 pm

Neat! I've thought a lot about a project like this myself. I won't bore anyone with the details. But I will say that it'd be cool if the enemies got reworked to be more melee-oriented themselves. I bet a chaingunner would have a mean right hook.
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Re: [BETA Release] Doom Fighters

Postby zheg » Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:34 am

drfrag wrote:But are you using the OpenGL renderer? BTW there's an option to enable models in the Carmack software renderer too.

sorry, only openGL renderer.

dawnbreez wrote:There's only three things I'd change about what you've released so far:
1. Give the jumping punch a bit of lift, for DMC-style air combos. Either that or replace it with a falling kick, similar to the sword's air attacks.
2. Speaking of, the sword's air attacks feel kinda wimpy damage-wise, given the visuals. It also doesn't feel right to land directly on a monster's head and just kinda stop there. I would increase the damage, and add some end lag to the attack, so that it becomes a more risky but high-damage move.
3. And finally, I'd increase the jump height and give the flying kick a bit of downward velocity to compensate. I struggle to hit anything that's in the air (hello, cacodemons) without tossing smaller enemies at them; this change would give me some options for taking flying swings at them, and give me more of a window to use the flying kick and sword drop, while the added downward velocity on the kick means you can still throw flying kicks out in close quarters. Alternatively, give me a double-jump--that'd let me control my height more easily.

i just added the aereal combo for fist, now im working with the crucible.
Darlos wrote:Neat! I've thought a lot about a project like this myself. I won't bore anyone with the details. But I will say that it'd be cool if the enemies got reworked to be more melee-oriented themselves. I bet a chaingunner would have a mean right hook.

sure, enemies will be in 3D in final release, with combos and custom animations
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Re: [BETA Release] Doom Fighters

Postby EnriksD8 » Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:56 am

I have downloaded and played this mod for a bit and I am impressed with what's on offer so far. A melee oriented mod, and a third-person oriented one at that, is something that is often buried under the many other types of mods here and on other Doom Mod sites. So, having a mod where I can play as Doomguy and beat up the endless hordes of Hell with my bare hands is a cathartic experience.

I do have some feedback to give:

1. It could be just me, but the punches sometimes fall short on enemies so I end up hitting the air in front of them instead. A slight increase to the range of Doomguy's punches could mitigate this (Either that or I'm not close enough to actually hit them to begin with).

2. The lack of a ranged option outside of throwing barrels and Crucibles does pose a noticeable challenge, especially on maps (official or community made) where enemies such as Chaingunners, Revenants, and Archvilles are perched on high areas (as well as maps where you face down the Icon of Sin but you already have a plan for that, it seems). A mainstay ranged weapon like the Super Shotgun could help mitigate this while still keeping with the theme of getting up close and personal with the enemies.
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Re: [BETA Release] Doom Fighters

Postby zheg » Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:53 am

EnriksD8 wrote:I have downloaded and played this mod for a bit and I am impressed with what's on offer so far. A melee oriented mod, and a third-person oriented one at that, is something that is often buried under the many other types of mods here and on other Doom Mod sites. So, having a mod where I can play as Doomguy and beat up the endless hordes of Hell with my bare hands is a cathartic experience.

I do have some feedback to give:

1. It could be just me, but the punches sometimes fall short on enemies so I end up hitting the air in front of them instead. A slight increase to the range of Doomguy's punches could mitigate this (Either that or I'm not close enough to actually hit them to begin with).

2. The lack of a ranged option outside of throwing barrels and Crucibles does pose a noticeable challenge, especially on maps (official or community made) where enemies such as Chaingunners, Revenants, and Archvilles are perched on high areas (as well as maps where you face down the Icon of Sin but you already have a plan for that, it seems). A mainstay ranged weapon like the Super Shotgun could help mitigate this while still keeping with the theme of getting up close and personal with the enemies.


hey, I'm glad you liked it, in this newer version that I'm working on:
1.- is already fixed, trying to punch enemies downstairs was a big issue so, I fixed that
2.- ranged weapons will be very limited, since it brokes the gameplay, so I'm planning instead that enemies will spawn near of you if they can't reach you in a certain time.
3.- the ssg and bfg for sure will be in the mod.
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