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Re: BDLite - a slimmed-down effects mod [BETA 2018-11-12]

PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:52 pm
by ketmar
he is still insisting on redefining the whole options menu. somehow i don't even want to read further — i don't believe that other code is better. ;-)

Re: BDLite - a slimmed-down effects mod [BETA 2018-11-12]

PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:43 pm
by ketmar
so yep: lies, lies, misinfomation and lies. while the code really has less actors, and even some rare comments, code quality is not really better, and decorate knowledge is still absent. please, after all those years he still doesn't know that first state in "spawn" will never execute its action. this is everything you may want to know about "new good code".

Re: BDLite - a slimmed-down effects mod [BETA 2018-11-12]

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 2:24 am
by Get Phobo
All I can say is, it's still massively lagging, so the claimed code rework obviously didn't bring about any notable positive effects on performance.

Re: BDLite - a slimmed-down effects mod [BETA 2018-11-12]

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 2:30 am
by Cacodemon345
doomed_stranger wrote:after all those years he still doesn't know that first state in "spawn" will never execute its action.
Actually, some code there puts codepointer in the first state in Spawn. But apparently some code has another empty first state, so yeah, it is basically an inconsistent mess. And he pulled off some actors from his main BD mod, so I am not surprised he left the mistake.

Re: BDLite - a slimmed-down effects mod [BETA 2018-11-12]

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:49 am
by ketmar
yeah. that indicates that "all code written from scratch" is lies. and his style not improved in any way -- good old copypasta rulez. also, there is a weird mix of tabs and spaces in source.

tbh, i had to look into original brutal code too... just enough to declare that k8VaVoom will never ever support brutal doom. i also stole parts of ketchup for built-in k8VaVoom gore mod, and i deeply regret that decision now. but i am too lazy to rewrite it -- i have other things to do with the engine. ;-)

Re: BDLite - a slimmed-down effects mod [BETA 2018-11-12]

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 1:13 pm
by Get Phobo
Try playing Bolognese with nuts.wad.

I actually got less than 0.1 fps where it otherwise would be a minimum of ~2.7 fps with the settings I used on that map. That mod makes the game up to 100 times slower.

Re: BDLite - a slimmed-down effects mod [BETA 2018-11-12]

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 8:21 pm
by ketmar
pretty much ANY gore mod will do this. see, there is no other way to do all that fancy blood without spawning at least 3-5 actors for a hit, even for very low amount of blood. and blg spawns way more — various checkers, guts, mist, trails, etc. you can't realistically expect to multiply amount of active actors by 3-8 times and expirience no dramatic fps drop. there is literally NOTHING anybody can do to improve things without hard-coding all the blood into C++. you can't have it for free.

also note that increasing number of actors doesn't mean linear increase of processing time. the more actors you have, the more slowdown will cause each new one. several algorithms has to iterate actor lists several times per frame.

and this is not something we're bashing sarge for. his code is awful half-competent mess from design PoV, but it works reasonably well. at least it is better than it was before.

Re: BDLite - a slimmed-down effects mod [BETA 2018-11-12]

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 8:24 pm
by Gollgagh
I hate to be that guy, but you guys are derailing the thread pretty hard right now.

Re: BDLite - a slimmed-down effects mod [BETA 2018-11-12]

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:51 pm
by Get Phobo
Gollgagh wrote:I hate to be that guy, but you guys are derailing the thread pretty hard right now.
I wouldn't say so. This mod exists for the reasons we're talking about. Anyway, nevermind.

Re: BDLite - a slimmed-down effects mod [BETA 2018-11-12]

PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:02 am
by Blue Shadow
Get Phobo wrote:I wouldn't say so. This mod exists for the reasons we're talking about.

All the posts in this page have been about bashing Mark. Where's BDLite in all of this?

So, yeah, back to topic!

Re: BDLite - a slimmed-down effects mod [BETA 2018-11-12]

PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:22 am
by Gideon020
Any chance of plasma death states returning to this?

Re: BDLite - a slimmed-down effects mod [BETA 2018-11-12]

PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 1:38 pm
by Get Phobo
Blue Shadow wrote:
Get Phobo wrote:I wouldn't say so. This mod exists for the reasons we're talking about.

All the posts in this page have been about bashing Mark. Where's BDLite in all of this?
Well... BDLite is the bashing. :mrgreen:

But you're right -- back to topic.

Re: BDLite - a slimmed-down effects mod [BETA 2018-11-12]

PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:10 pm
by DavidN
It's the most attention I've had in ages :) Some of that code that flies past during the "complete rewrite" part of the video definitely looks very familiar, but in fairness, "all sauce, no spaghetti" is a fantastic catchphrase and I wish I'd come up with it.

I'm pretty much ready to call this a release now, having shifted my attention to some other tools that I started as a necessary crutch for this project - I just want to work out some glitches with how the player is displayed in multiplayer, and I think that's it.

Gideon020, the plasma death states are intact, but they require the Plasma damage type - can you say how you're running the mod, if you've got other things in your autoload, and so on?

Re: BDLite - a slimmed-down effects mod [BETA 2018-11-12]

PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:42 am
by Rez
Theres still a few unique monster behaviors that i think are unnecessary fluff.

Only Imps and Knights (but not Barons?) have an extra animation when first spotting you.
Imps repeat this animation after every attack (thats a bug, right?).

Pinkies are the only enemy that will slowly forget and stop chasing you.

The 3 types of zombies have odd extra spawn states i didnt really notice ingame.

Big thanks for pulling through this project!

EDIT: Speaking of uneccesary fluff, please speed up RL and Bfg swap times and remove the extra ready animation on Melee and Chainsaw!

Re: BDLite - a slimmed-down effects mod [BETA 2018-11-12]

PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:40 am
by Gideon020
DavidN wrote:Gideon020, the plasma death states are intact, but they require the Plasma damage type - can you say how you're running the mod, if you've got other things in your autoload, and so on?


I'm a derp. I wasn't paying attention to how they were dying. :oops: