BDLite - a slimmed-down effects mod [RC 2018-12-03]

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Re: BDLite - a slimmed-down effects mod [BETA 2018-11-12]

Postby Rez » Fri Nov 23, 2018 1:38 am

You are probably already aware, but Revenants dont bleed or otherwise give any feedback on being hit.
Also, ive seen Barons and Masterminds get stuck under low cielings a few times, most enemy types have increased height compared to vanilla.
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Re: BDLite - a slimmed-down effects mod [BETA 2018-11-12]

Postby doomed_stranger » Fri Nov 23, 2018 7:49 am

yeah, changed height is quite annoying: i cannot lay headshots anymore! ;-) no, really: k8VaVoom has built-in headshots feature, and i am really used to it.
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Re: BDLite - a slimmed-down effects mod [RC 2018-12-03]

Postby DavidN » Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:43 pm

Thanks again for all comments! The imp animation was indeed a bug and I'm not sure why I didn't notice it before... I've changed that now, but I've kept in some of the little unique things about monsters if they didn't interfere with the code too much. Thanks to k8Vavoom and the developer message mode in GZDoom I think I've now ironed out all the missing states and so on. I've also added a compromise for the issue with monsters getting stuck in ceilings - if an enhanced monster detects that it's too tall for its starting area when it spawns, it will revert to its standard height and scale. (I purposely left the Revenants out of this because they're blatantly too small for their sprite in vanilla Doom.)

My attention is drifting to other things now so I want to wrap this up - I've put up a copy that I'm considering a release candidate! This should have basically everything in it now, apart from small adjustments like sounds if I discover any missing ones while testing.

The mod now also has a trailer :) Thanks to everyone for leaving your comments, suggestions and bug reports - it's been great to have been given such attention!

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Re: BDLite - a slimmed-down effects mod [RC 2018-12-03]

Postby doomed_stranger » Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:28 am

congrats on rc! and fun trailer too. bdlite code is nice to read, fun to play, and found some bugs in my decorate implementation. three for the price of one, and no fat? i'm buying! ;-)

thanks for your hard work, and for supplemental tools too.

p.s.: now i will prolly switch by "bdw" mod (k8VaVoom has built-in mod with brutal's assault rifle and shotgun) to your code. i like ammo indicator on rifle. ;-)
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Re: BDLite - a slimmed-down effects mod [RC 2018-12-03]

Postby DavidN » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:00 pm

Thanks, that's great - definitely feel free to use that! It was a bit of fluff that I added later on just because I liked it :) It's great that it helped k8Vavoom out, even though I know there were frustrations along the way :) https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/1 ... nt-1934159
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Re: BDLite - a slimmed-down effects mod [RC 2018-12-03]

Postby terminator44 » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:01 pm

Really love this mod. Shame you're moving on, but I'm sure whatever you do next will be amazing, judging from BDLite.
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Re: BDLite - a slimmed-down effects mod [RC 2018-12-03]

Postby doomed_stranger » Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:35 am

as i said, i just HAET brutal code with passion. i always respected your efforts, and the final result is amazing, but it was hard to believe that somebody will be able to do what you did. ;-) that's why i always stressed that i frustrated by brutal roots, but your work is amazing. ;-)

also, ammo indicator is that small touch that makes assault rifle believable for me. logically, there must be some ammo indicator on a weapon, and it cannot be numeric, 'cause reading numbers in the middle of firefight is not the brightest idea. so this is something i can believe, with «good enough for military» style. nice touch.


p.s.: by that post i meant that you were able to turn brutal from unstomachable mess to stomachable mess. this alone is heroic. ;-)
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Re: BDLite - a slimmed-down effects mod [RC 2018-12-03]

Postby Cacodemon345 » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:22 am

I think I will play this mod when it's released for real. And probably make a ZScript headshot addon for it (would make the entire thing feel like it's BDv05 with no fatalities/last stands and lesser effects but modernized).
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Re: BDLite - a slimmed-down effects mod [RC 2018-12-03]

Postby hybridial » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:33 am

Tried the newest version for a bit last night, great work, and the weapon sprites are much better now. I feel this is definitely a much more refined take on the idea of a hyper fast and gory version of Doom that doesn't feel like its trying to be anything else other than Doom. If that makes sense.
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Re: BDLite - a slimmed-down effects mod [RC 2018-12-03]

Postby EndHack » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:53 pm

is there a easy way to get rid of most of the blood particles Brutal Doom had options to change the amounts of blood but I didn't see any in BDLite
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Re: BDLite - a slimmed-down effects mod [RC 2018-12-03]

Postby Caligari87 » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:38 pm

Image

That's some quality low-key shade, right there. :lol:

8-)
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Re: BDLite - a slimmed-down effects mod [RC 2018-12-03]

Postby Wivicer » Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:03 am

Wow. This is really impressive. I've never been a huge fan of brutal doom (aside from the general messiness of the code, the gameplay got very boring, very quickly), but this is fun!
It feels like doom with just a little extra integrated.
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Re: BDLite - a slimmed-down effects mod [RC 2018-12-03]

Postby DavidN » Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:16 pm

Thanks! Hopefully there won't be too long to wait :) I'm fixing a couple of sound issues and so on now, but I don't have plans to include a blood particle option. Depending on what you want to remove, it might be fairly easy to customize in an option that deletes some of the trails/splats as they spawn.

The reaction to this has been great and I've really been happy with the help and pointers offered by the whole community. Trying it out on Vavoom was particularly valuable - it's impressive that it runs at all on an engine I didn't know about until last month!

I also found someone describing it as "a spiteful attempt to "clean up" Brutal Doom by tearing out about half the stuff and tossing themselves off over how much better they think they are" and was ready to get all offended about it but then realized that that description is 100% accurate, and have put it at the top of the site as a ringing endorsement.
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Re: BDLite - a slimmed-down effects mod [RC 2018-12-03]

Postby Solfish » Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:00 am

I found some bugs. Shotgun guy and Commando will drop 2 guns instead of 1 when die by the rocket launcher and Hellknight is using the wrong spawn state's sprites (it's BOS2 B but you write BOSS B which is Baron of hell spawn's sprites, maybe this is a typo). Could you please fix that?
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Re: BDLite - a slimmed-down effects mod [RC 2018-12-03]

Postby doomed_stranger » Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:37 am

offtopic: David, i really love your attitude towards criticism! you literally stealing weapons from the hands of your enemies! ;-)
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