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Heretical Doom v1.3 - Options Upon Options!

Postby Ryuhi » Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:05 am

*This mod is a offshoot of Seidolon's BrutalHereticRPG mod, with the intent to give it Doom (and ultimately Hexen and Strife) compatibility. To check out the original mod (as well as the equally nice Brutal Hexen Fighter mod) click here: https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=50697*

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I'm just getting my feet wet with DECORATE and ACS, so I thought a good starting point would be making a compatibility patch for Seidolon's BrutalHereticRPG to get it to work in Doom. The weapon feedback feels great, and I've always been a fan of using Samsara to do Doom 2 Corvus playthroughs. It ended up needing a bit more than just a patch, so after spending a few nights filling missing gaps in sounds and animations and reworking the experience system, I think I have a starting point to build off of:

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DOWNLOAD V1.3 HERE!***NEW!
HERETICAL M-M-M-M-MONSTERS (v0.3a) ADDON!
IF YOU ARE GETTING A "BULLETBUNDLE" RELATED ERROR AFFECTING ENEMY DROPS WITH OTHER GAMEPLAY MODS, REDOWNLOAD THE MONSTER ADDON
I apparently packed the wrong one when i uploaded it, but this version should be correct and reference only vanilla ammo types.

***Monsters addon currently works for Doom/Heretic, Hexen, Chex, and Strife replacers not yet in place.***

*Use the compatibility patch if you would like to use HDMonsters with other gameplay mods thats do not alter monsters. Tested with Trailblazer1.4b, LaTailorGirlv1_40, and Samsara v0.3666

Here are a few of the changes for 1.3!



ICARUSLIV3S review of v1.0:


NOW WITH HERETIC, HEXEN, AND STRIFE SUPPORT *FIXED FOR REAL THIS TIME*

DON'T LIKE ALL THE FANCY NEW RELOADS AND MAGICS? CHECK OUT CLASSIC MODE!
*Works in Doom, Heretic, Hexen, and Chex. Strife support for Classic Mode will come in future versions*

Changelog 1.3
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--Heretical Doom Monsters v0.3--
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What is Heretical Doom?

Heretical Doom is a shameful spinoff from Seidolon's Brutal Heretic RPG mod, adapting many of its core elements over to Doom/2/TNT/Plutonia. The main goals of this mod are to create a fast paced, flashy, fantasy Weaponmod for the Doom IWADS (While also later being universally compatible with Hexen, Heretic (lol,) and hopefully even Strife!) I intend to make as many changes backwards compatible as I can, to help keep the original mod alive should anyone else wish to revive it. For the most part this started as a Decorate tutorial for myself, but the more I learn the more I WANT to learn (which will hopefully lead to me actually making something of some quality~)

OK, cool, neat. Now why should I play this? I could just go play some other mod and pick Corvus!
I am personally a fan of high adrenaline gameplay mods, and I intend to keep Heretical Doom cranked up as much as possible. Gameplay is supposed to feel both overpowered and unforgiving: You will have all of the tools you need, but you need to be quick to utilize them. This is especially prevalent when paired with difficult monster mods/slaughterwads.

Monster Mods? So there are no Monster replacers here?

Just a modular addon, which can be loaded after the core mod. I've always been a fan of rotating mods like Colorful Hell, BDMonstersOnly, Doomkraken's Monster Randomizer, etc into my playthroughs, especially when pairing them with different gameplay mods. This should also help with compatibility with different iwads later down the line.

THE WEAPONS
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THE ITEMS
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THE PICKUPS
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THE MAGICKS!
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RPG MECHANICS!
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A few Protips:
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Heretical Doom Monsters Addon

Heretical Doom is a revival/continuation of the Seidolon's Brutal Heretic RPG mod, with a scope of multiwad support. While the core mod focuses on bringing Corvus to other games like Doom and Heretic, Heretical Doom Monsters focuses on the armies of Dsparril following him as well (more deadly than ever!) The overall design philosophy of Heretical Doom Monsters is very similar to what it is with Heretical Doom... Fast paced, dynamic, arcane combat!!

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Features:

- Blast away at enemies with magic, bright, mystic weapons! pew pew~
- Weapons gain Alt-Fire modes as you progress, many of which make them extremely powerful
- Be the glass cannon! Tons of damage and speed, but be mindful of your health!
- Should be fully compatible with all main IWADs as well as most map packs!
- Does not alter monsters at all: Should play nice with Monster Mods and custom maps!
- COME ON WHO DOESN'T LOVE THE TOME OF POWER

TO USE:
CURRENTLY REQUIRES GZDOOM 3.2.5 OR ABOVE FOR ALL FUNCTIONS TO WORK CORRECTLY

Simply load the mod after any map/music pk3s, but before any monster ones. Not compatible with other weapon mods for obvious reasons. DOES work with DamNums, so other similar mods should be ok :D
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Re: Heretical Doom v0.2 - A Brutal Heretic Doom conversion

Postby Ryuhi » Wed Jun 07, 2017 12:28 am

Has anyone given it a try yet? Just updated the build, getting a bit cleaner by the day :)
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Re: Heretical Doom v0.2 - A Brutal Heretic Doom conversion

Postby Ghost Prototype » Wed Jun 07, 2017 1:04 am

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Re: Heretical Doom v0.2 - A Brutal Heretic Doom conversion

Postby Ryuhi » Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:11 pm

Version 0.3 is ready! The new altfire for the crossbow is the main attraction, but there are a lot of other rebalances and pretty shinies to be had all around, so check the changelog!
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Re: Heretical Doom v0.3 - Getting our feet wet (with blood)

Postby Somagu » Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:37 am

No one seems to want to bite, so here's some constructive criticism and bug reports!

You seem to be aware of this, but ammo balance is absolutely all over the place. As a rule of thumb, weapons picked up from corpses shouldn't give a terribly significant amount of ammo, which is compounded by the fact that Corvus' arsenal is generally even more powerful than Brutal Doomguy's, on top of that he doesn't have to reload. The crossbow has way, way too much ammo, and dead shotgunner pickups should be worth 4 at most.

Pickups! I know some of the pickups are dual-ammo, but you can at very least give them pickup messages. It looks a bit gross to run over a mess of pickups and see "You got a pickup" a dozen times.

Megasphere calls for the wrong name for the invul ring.

Corvus' death sprite upon coming to a rest has blood floating in the air above him.

This is not really leveled at you as much as the original mod, but most of the weapons feel pretty samey before altfires.

I'm always pleased to see cross-iwad mods, and I'll be interested in seeing you set this further apart from Brutal Heretic RPG. As is, this is a good start, and unlike most of these types of projects, it isn't riddled with decorate errors from conversion. Keep it up!
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Re: Heretical Doom v0.3 - Getting our feet wet (with blood)

Postby Ryuhi » Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:16 am

Thanks! The invul ring things was a typo i missed in the code (its InvuRing, not InvulRing... ;-;) but i already fixed it in my next version. I actually got a ton of stuff done in a short time since I released this version, so I might go straight to v0.4 by the time I would hotfix it.

Yeah the pickups thing is absolute laziness on my part, I plan to go through each item soon enough.

The death sprite one confused me from the original mod, I was trying to un-write the code that tried to give him custom death animations, but in the end i straight up player.pawned him instead of making him corvus based. I'll have to make sure I write in everything thats missing (I know he's missing some sounds too)

I have an idea for the Ammo. I do plan to tone it down a bit, but the new altfire for the crossbow is an example of ways im trying to make players want to spend those surpluses of ammo. I do agree on toning back the crossbow drop's ammo even further, make his altfire more expensive (or both?)

Thanks for the input, here's a teaser for next update: Altfires for the staff and gauntlets are pretty much finished, just need some balancing :D
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Re: Heretical Doom v0.3 - Getting our feet wet (with blood)

Postby Doomguy914 » Thu Jun 15, 2017 1:44 pm

About to try getting this started, but it would be awesome if you linked a stable build of GZDoom in the main post that is guaranteed to make this run relatively flawlessly. A lot of the later builds of GZDoom are a broken mess. The furthest I've ventured being a 2.2 build for Colorful Hell, and the Golden Souls 2 demos.
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Re: Heretical Doom v0.3 - Getting our feet wet (with blood)

Postby Caligari87 » Thu Jun 15, 2017 1:47 pm

GZDoom 3.1.0 stable is hardly a "broken mess" and 2.2 is practically ancient by current development standards. If you're using devbuilds you can't expect stability there.

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Re: Heretical Doom v0.3 - Getting our feet wet (with blood)

Postby Doomguy914 » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:19 pm

Caligari87 wrote:GZDoom 3.1.0 stable is hardly a "broken mess" and 2.2 is practically ancient by current development standards. If you're using devbuilds you can't expect stability there.

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Hey I'm only repeating what I've read on this site and tried for myself. A lot of mods require specific GZDoom versions in order to run, and that does include the devbuilds. Doom RPG comes to mind most prominently. As it stands, in order to run a whole lot of different mods, I have over 4 different versions of GZDoom on my computer. :|
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Re: Heretical Doom v0.4 - GET YOUR ALTFIRES HERE~

Postby Ryuhi » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:47 pm

There are a lot of newer functions that likely will not work properly in older versions of gzdoom, and i don't have every build to test them with. I cited 2.4 as the minimum since thats the oldest version i can test it on, and now it has some features that are not present in older versions.

that said, 0.4 is up! tons of weapon overhaul goodness to be had, and a new artifact!
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Re: Heretical Doom v0.4 - GET YOUR ALTFIRES HERE~

Postby vidumec » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:51 am

great stuff!
all weapons feel and look really good
now, if only there was a fitting monster replacement mod
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Re: Heretical Doom v0.4 - GET YOUR ALTFIRES HERE~

Postby Ryuhi » Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:13 am

it should work perfectly with colorful hell, BDmonstersonly, and Doomkraken's monster randomizer
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Re: Heretical Doom v0.4 - GET YOUR ALTFIRES HERE~

Postby vidumec » Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:23 am

i thought about something like what wrath of chronos did. But adapting that would probably be a massive pain in the ass
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Re: Heretical Doom v0.4 - PROMO VIDEO YES

Postby Ryuhi » Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:29 pm

Think I've hit a nice spot for the mod for now, feel free to let me know what you all think!
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Re: Heretical Doom v0.5 - LAST VERSION FOR A BIT I SWEAR

Postby Ryuhi » Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:40 pm

Added Raven support, as well as tweaked a few things here and there. Also new altfire for the Firemace!
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