Space Hunter: vintage Metroid inspired action

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Re: Space Hunter: vintage Metroid inspired action

Postby tsukiyomaru0 » Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:21 am

twinkieman93 wrote:
tsukiyomaru0 wrote:Spazer doesn't last across levels, but I assume that is intended.

It does spawn in berserk spawns so yeah I'm pretty certain that is intended, especially given how strong it is. Plasma spazer is a thing of beauty and now I understand why the Metroid games were so insistent that you never combine the two, hah.


They first appeared in Metroid 2, where you couldn't have more than one beam upgrade (though seems either Spazer or Plasma had Wave's perk, dunno which), when they re-appeared in Super Metroid the Spazer and Plasma had similar interactions with Wave, with Plasma being longer and increasing sprite count more than Spazer, so if Spazer and Plasma combined normally (not via Murder Beam glitch) it would lag the game frequently.

They DO merge in Metroid Fusion, where Wide had the same function as Spazer, and then in Zero Mission the Wave Beam absorbed Spazer/Wide's function of making your beams "wider".

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What the hell?!
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Re: Space Hunter: vintage Metroid inspired action

Postby osjclatchford » Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:31 am

shit-the-bed this is something else! and brings back many happy memories of classic gaming of years past. also gotta say it looks great with the ega pallette or all that stuff tht doomenator added... nice work CK!
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Re: Space Hunter: vintage Metroid inspired action

Postby Princess Viscra Maelstrom » Sun Jun 04, 2017 3:33 pm

i don't think that video has the EGA palette in it, just that texture pack from the MSPaint Doom Mod. the video also seems to have that wad which replaces all the sound effects with the PC Speaker blips, too (the sample rate is noticeably lower from the crispness of this mod's SFX though).
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Re: Space Hunter: vintage Metroid inspired action

Postby osjclatchford » Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:55 pm

Princess Viscra Maelstrom wrote:i don't think that video has the EGA palette in it...
yes I know that.
I was talking about this post:

Batandy wrote:I've played for a while and it's definitely one of my favorite gameplay mods, great job!

I've paired it with the EGA Doom palette (https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/graphics/ega_pal) and it looked quite good :)
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and doomenator's vid as seperate examples of what looks good...
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Re: Space Hunter: vintage Metroid inspired action

Postby twinkieman93 » Sun Jun 04, 2017 6:05 pm

I think the palette looks better personally- well, better in the sense that we're trying to make the game look worse- if only because being a palette it affects everything and not just the level textures. I didn't think to get an 8-bit sound pack though, i'll have to dig one up and give that a shot, because between that and using the OPL synth emulator option there won't be anything left in the mod that's not retro'd out, hehe.

EDIT: I couldn't find the exact mod that was used in the video, sadly, but I did find a mod that has the original PC speaker sound effects for Doom. It's not quite NES 8-bit-y, but, close enough! Get them here!
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Re: Space Hunter: vintage Metroid inspired action

Postby Overacheiver » Sun Jun 04, 2017 6:09 pm

Noticed there's an .nsf file in the wad. If you need single track ones for music replacement, I can send you some I've made. Should help with the filesize.
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Re: Space Hunter: vintage Metroid inspired action

Postby Princess Viscra Maelstrom » Sun Jun 04, 2017 6:15 pm

personally i think the video example is better, because the EGA palette is quite hard on the eyes, and i'd bet that if you used a tonemap for GZDoom, it'd make things look even more intense and straining on your eyes. it's all up to preference though.
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Re: Space Hunter: vintage Metroid inspired action

Postby tsukiyomaru0 » Sun Jun 04, 2017 6:34 pm

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I made a terrible mistake! Abort! Abort!
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Re: Space Hunter: vintage Metroid inspired action

Postby Captain J » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:01 pm

Nuts.wad makes mods goes nuts when it comes to play 4 fun.

Anyway glad it's released for long ago. Even though i could've make NES style of projectiles for each monsters, but i'd say i don't know it's actually necessary. So yeah, nice work, kegan!
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Re: Space Hunter: vintage Metroid inspired action

Postby tsukiyomaru0 » Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:36 am

Your Space Hunter inspired me to try and get back to making stuff... Maybe a Metroid Prime Hunters - Samus gameplay mod.
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Re: Space Hunter: vintage Metroid inspired action

Postby Doomenator » Sat Jun 10, 2017 7:46 am

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Re: Space Hunter: vintage Metroid inspired action

Postby Exosphere » Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:11 am

This is a really fun little mod, and I've been having fun playing with it through several map packs. I also love the bonus weapon ;). However, I think I might have found a bug. It seems as though that some of the projectiles won't register when hitting certain enemies.

For example, I had found myself face to face with a hell knight and I fired a Plasma blast point blank; It did nothing, and I was killed. Similiar events have happened constantly when facing other enemies and it does get annoying (espcially since it is technically wasting ammo).

Another "bug" that I keep noticing is that certain upgrades might not carry over during level transition, such as the (three shot) upgrade. It seems random and there doesnt seem to be a pattern. Although I'm not sure if this is intentional on the part of the map makes or the mod itself.

Once again, this is a very fun mod, but it might need some more tweaking.

(Also, I feel as though the missile explosion radius is a little big)
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Re: Space Hunter: vintage Metroid inspired action

Postby Combine_Kegan » Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:05 am

Exosphere wrote:This is a really fun little mod, and I've been having fun playing with it through several map packs. I also love the bonus weapon ;). However, I think I might have found a bug. It seems as though that some of the projectiles won't register when hitting certain enemies.

For example, I had found myself face to face with a hell knight and I fired a Plasma blast point blank; It did nothing, and I was killed. Similiar events have happened constantly when facing other enemies and it does get annoying (espcially since it is technically wasting ammo).

Another "bug" that I keep noticing is that certain upgrades might not carry over during level transition, such as the (three shot) upgrade. It seems random and there doesnt seem to be a pattern. Although I'm not sure if this is intentional on the part of the map makes or the mod itself.

Once again, this is a very fun mod, but it might need some more tweaking.

(Also, I feel as though the missile explosion radius is a little big)


The plasma beam definitely needs a tweaking of some kind, it fires ripper projectiles and it's a little on the unsatisfying side. However the Spazer triple shot upgrade does indeed get taken away after every level, it's incredibly powerful so its effects only last for one level.
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Re: Space Hunter: vintage Metroid inspired action

Postby Exosphere » Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:35 am

Combine_Kegan wrote: The plasma beam definitely needs tweaking of some kind, it fires ripper projectiles and it's a little on the unsatisfying side.

Thanks for addressing this, but the problem I have noticed isnt exclusive to only the Plasma beam. Projectiles from all beam types, with or without the upgrades AND including missiles and the special weapon, can sometimes not register on enemies and it can get very frustrating, especially when going up against large groups or in space spaces.

Combine_Kegan wrote: However the Spazer triple shot upgrade does indeed get taken away after every level, it's incredibly powerful so its effects only last for one level.

Ah, ok. Thanks for clarifying this fact.

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Re: Space Hunter: vintage Metroid inspired action

Postby Cryomundus » Wed Jul 12, 2017 3:43 pm

Just so you know, the red flash that occurs occasionally is just the pain state, it does not mean that the projectile did no damage.

If you want to confirm it, just load up JP HUD https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=46204&hilit=jp+hud and watch the monster's hp when you shoot it. It should decrease regardless if the pain state is triggered or not.

I've played this plenty of times, and I would have said something if I found out the players projectiles occasionally did no damage.
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