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Re: MetaDoom v4.1 "Fred" (p81)

Postby Jeimuzu73 » Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:35 am

Well, the MG's fire rate could be sped up significantly by halving the "bright" frames' duration to 1 instead of 2.
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Re: MetaDoom v4.1 "Fred" (p81)

Postby isaacpop23 » Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:40 am

Out of curiosity, I used DTDsphere's DPS map to see the difference between the vanilla chaingun and the MetaDoom machinegun. While the data is probably a bit coarse due to only five trials each, it should work. Vanilla = 86.7 DPS MetaDoom = 69.7 DPS. Which feels off to me, considering it felt more powerful than the vanilla one, though I apparently am the only one to think so.
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Re: MetaDoom v4.1 "Fred" (p81)

Postby whatup876 » Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:43 pm

I thought gameplay-wise, the Doom 3 SMG worked exactly like the classic chaingun, while the pistol, Plasma Rifle and BFG were the ones with differences in their pirmary fires.
Maybe it's just the "feel" of the weapon.
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Re: MetaDoom v4.1 "Fred" (p81)

Postby Black Rock Shooter » Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:08 pm

IMHO, the Machine Gun should be left the way it is. She'll be your main workhorse until you get "Kinsie's Buzzsaw" (the Chaingun), plus you have mini-rockets as it's alt-fire. Putting more damage onto it would break the balance on it's tier.
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Re: MetaDoom v4.1 "Fred" (p81)

Postby Captain J » Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:26 pm

And that's what i said before! When ammo is getting low, try to switch to different weapon that suits you most!
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Re: MetaDoom v4.1 "Fred" (p81)

Postby AvzinElkein » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:01 am

I know this is random, but we may have an issue (I loaded Ultimate DOOM and the MetaDoom WADS): https://i.imgur.com/A6qE4r6.png
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Re: MetaDoom v4.1 "Fred" (p81)

Postby TechnoDoomed1 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 4:19 am

I think those are for Consolation Prize?
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Re: MetaDoom v4.1 "Fred" (p81)

Postby wildweasel » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:42 am

Yes, that is exactly what they are. MetaDoom has some spawners in place for stuff that is not normally in Doom. So once again, this is 100% harmless to normal gameplay.
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Re: MetaDoom v4.1 "Fred" (p81)

Postby LossForWords » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:38 pm

i think my biggest problem so far has been the hud. i think the zoomed hud should be simpler, doom 64-styled, maybe?
edit: do you plan on adding the doom 3 berserk?
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Re: MetaDoom v4.1 "Fred" (p81)

Postby TootsyBowl » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:16 am

LossForWords wrote:edit: do you plan on adding the doom 3 berserk?

Really freaking overpowered if you find it, since in Doom 3 it made you invincible and do 1000+ damage per punch, as well as a speed boost.
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Re: MetaDoom v4.1 "Fred" (p81)

Postby whatup876 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:59 am

I thought the D3 Berserk was already added, because it has a time limit. but increases damage and speed, while also giving you 100 health like the original and allowing you to drop more health.
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Re: MetaDoom v4.1 "Fred" (p81)

Postby LossForWords » Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:06 pm

TootsyBowl wrote:
LossForWords wrote:edit: do you plan on adding the doom 3 berserk?

Really freaking overpowered if you find it, since in Doom 3 it made you invincible and do 1000+ damage per punch, as well as a speed boost.

i thought it would be cool as a rare pickup of sorts, possibly replacing the invulnerability.
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Re: MetaDoom v4.1 "Fred" (p81)

Postby whatup876 » Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:57 am

When it comes to MetaDoom's randomization, do you try to make it where every enemy/weapon/whatever appears in a wad/mapset, even if it's only once?
Because i'm playing it with Doom 64 and whether this is about the number of levels compared to D2 or the enemy placement in the levels, the only Spectre variant that showed up was the Sawcubus, even with the Trites addition enabled and i thought Trites usually only showed up in earlier levels.

Edit: Weapons that didn't show up were LG, Gauss Cannon, Soul Cube and the Hologram, by the way.
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Re: MetaDoom v4.1 "Fred" (p81)

Postby TootsyBowl » Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:57 am

whatup876 wrote:When it comes to MetaDoom's randomization, do you try to make it where every enemy/weapon/whatever appears in a wad/mapset, even if it's only once?
Because i'm playing it with Doom 64 and whether this is about the number of levels compared to D2 or the enemy placement in the levels, the only Spectre variant that showed up was the Sawcubus, even with the Trites addition enabled and i thought Trites usually only showed up in earlier levels.

Edit: Weapons that didn't show up were LG, Gauss Cannon, Soul Cube and the Hologram, by the way.

I'm pretty sure certain enemies like the Nightmare Imp, the Nightmare Spectre, and the Trites only spawn when the sector they're in is below a certain light level. Holograms spawn near Haste Spheres if I remember correctly (in other words, where invisibility spheres used to be). As for the weapons, you're probably just unlucky.

EDIT: Alright I was subtle about it before but now I'll be clear.

MetaDoom Monsters Only Edition.pls
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Re: MetaDoom v4.1 "Fred" (p81)

Postby whatup876 » Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:07 am

TootsyBowl wrote:
whatup876 wrote:When it comes to MetaDoom's randomization, do you try to make it where every enemy/weapon/whatever appears in a wad/mapset, even if it's only once?
Because i'm playing it with Doom 64 and whether this is about the number of levels compared to D2 or the enemy placement in the levels, the only Spectre variant that showed up was the Sawcubus, even with the Trites addition enabled and i thought Trites usually only showed up in earlier levels.

Edit: Weapons that didn't show up were LG, Gauss Cannon, Soul Cube and the Hologram, by the way.

I'm pretty sure certain enemies like the Nightmare Imp, the Nightmare Spectre, and the Trites only spawn when the sector they're in is below a certain light level. Holograms spawn near Haste Spheres if I remember correctly (in other words, where invisibility spheres used to be). As for the weapons, you're probably just unlucky.

EDIT: Alright I was subtle about it before but now I'll be clear.

MetaDoom Monsters Only Edition.pls


I wonder how many dark areas featured Spectres, because i wonder if the size of a room (like whether or not the ceiling is low enough) could be a factor for Nightmare Spectres and Trites.
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