Samsara - 0.3666 - World Tour

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Re: Samsara - 0.3666 - World Tour

Postby SiFi270 » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:36 pm

I'm not suggesting to replace the chaingun spawn. I'm suggesting to replace the SSG spawn so that instead of the machine gun occupying slots 2 and 3, it's the chaingun in 3 and 4.
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Re: Samsara - 0.3666 - World Tour

Postby Silentdarkness12 » Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:31 pm

Not the impression you gave on the previous page. I see.
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Re: Samsara - 0.3666 - World Tour

Postby Untitled » Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:47 pm

Silentdarkness12 wrote:I would want the chaingun. But if I had cover, I would gladly make do with the MG.

But what you're suggesting to replace the chaingun spawn is way too weak, for what that slot's supposed to be. The chaingun spawn slot is up a bit in rarity from the shotgun, theoretically. So giving it the exact same reward is a downgrade.


The Chaingun slot is a downgrade from the Super Shotgun, as far as Doom's concerned, actually.

What SiFi is suggesting is that the Slot III, since it's placement in Doom as a weapon is usually MORE powerful than Slot IV, that BJ's Slot III, rather than giving a Machine Gun, instead gives the (MUCH) stronger Chaingun, because BJ's chaingun is basically his SSG-weapon.
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Re: Samsara - 0.3666 - World Tour

Postby Silentdarkness12 » Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:01 pm

And if you're playing in Doom 1, then you can kiss the workhorse Chaingun goodbye.

GOOD IDEA. : P

Frankly, I feel like the SSG slot should just be a large ammo 1 box. Instead of another MG. Or the Chaingun.

It is worth noting that it's impossible to prepare for every eventuality with a mod.
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Re: Samsara - 0.3666 - World Tour

Postby DoomRater » Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:13 pm

Geez. No one said the chaingun shouldn't give a chaingun to BJ... The way it works now is Bj gets a MG when finding either shotgun or SSG.

Edit: TRIPLE COMBO!
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Re: Samsara - 0.3666 - World Tour

Postby SiFi270 » Mon Apr 03, 2017 3:25 pm

Silentdarkness12 wrote:And if you're playing in Doom 1, then you can kiss the workhorse Chaingun goodbye.

GOOD IDEA. : P

No, because it'd still appear in place of Doom's own chaingun. And even if it didn't (because apparently my point isn't getting across at all) it'd still appear in place of the computer area maps because that's what Samsara already does. Otherwise, Corvus would go through Doom 1 with a firemace and no crossbow, and then he'd barely be Corvus at all.
Silentdarkness12 wrote:Frankly, I feel like the SSG slot should just be a large ammo 1 box. Instead of another MG. Or the Chaingun.

That'd be even worse, because at least with the machine gun you'd still have something more than a pistol to help you against tough monsters. If it was just bullets then your only consolation would be that you wouldn't run out of ammo as fast, but depending on the monster you'd probably die before you get to that point anyway.
Silentdarkness12 wrote:It is worth noting that it's impossible to prepare for every eventuality with a mod.

Yes, but "you come up against a tough monster and you're expected to use that SSG you were given to take it down because the regular shotgun isn't suited for the job" really isn't that rare an eventuality. I'd even go so far as to say that in any wad that knows what it's doing, that's pretty much the whole reason you're given a super shotgun.

On another subject, I've just discovered that in the current build of GZDoom, pressing altfire to equip a second pistol or shotgun as the Marathon Man causes it to disappear once it's finished rising into view.
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Re: Samsara - 0.3666 - World Tour

Postby Untitled » Mon Apr 03, 2017 3:56 pm

Silentdarkness12 wrote:And if you're playing in Doom 1, then you can kiss the workhorse Chaingun goodbye.

GOOD IDEA. : P

Frankly, I feel like the SSG slot should just be a large ammo 1 box. Instead of another MG. Or the Chaingun.

It is worth noting that it's impossible to prepare for every eventuality with a mod.


Okay, you appear to be misunderstanding the argument.

You seem to be under the impression that he wants to swap the Slots 3 and 4 - it's not that, it's making it so Slot 3 AND 4 are both the chaingun, instead of Slot 2 and 3 being machine gun.

Or, put explicitly:
Current Weapon Layout:
2 - Machine Gun
3 - Machine Gun
4 - Chaingun
New Weapon Layout:
2 - Machine Gun
3 - Chaingun
4 - Chaingun
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Re: Samsara - 0.3666 - World Tour

Postby Silentdarkness12 » Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:13 pm

Ok, I get it now. That's a bit better. Yeah, that seems alright.
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Re: Samsara - 0.3666 - World Tour

Postby JohnnyTheWolf » Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:52 pm

Am I the only one who is getting this bug? When I play as the Security Officer and I want to dual-wield shotguns, the left one will briefly raise and then immediately vanish afterwards.

I am not sure if GZDoom 2.4 is causing this or something else, but this is really frustrating.
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Re: Samsara - 0.3666 - World Tour

Postby JohnnyTheWolf » Sat Apr 08, 2017 12:34 pm

Does anyone know where I can download earlier GZDoom versions? It seems 2.4 is causing the bug with the Security Officer's dual-wielding ability, and I want to go back to 2.3.2.
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Re: Samsara - 0.3666 - World Tour

Postby Silentdarkness12 » Sat Apr 08, 2017 12:37 pm

JohnnyTheWolf wrote:Does anyone know where I can download earlier GZDoom versions? It seems 2.4 is causing the bug with the Security Officer's dual-wielding ability, and I want to go back to 2.3.2.


1. Probably shouldn't ask here.

2. Go to the GZDoom website for a download. Click on the Archive link, then click Bin. Older versions can be found there.
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Re: Samsara - 0.3666 - World Tour

Postby JohnnyTheWolf » Sat Apr 08, 2017 5:59 pm

Thanks. And yep, 2.4 is what is causing my problem.
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Re: Samsara - 0.3666 - World Tour

Postby Kinsie » Sat Apr 08, 2017 11:05 pm

Urggh... I've never done Synthfire nonsense, so I'm not entirely sure what's going wrong here.
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Re: Samsara - 0.3666 - World Tour

Postby Kinsie » Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:13 am

_mental_ has committed a fix for this issue to GZDoom, so it should work again in a devbuild or two. Give him your love!
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Re: Samsara - 0.3666 - World Tour

Postby JohnnyTheWolf » Sun Apr 09, 2017 1:42 pm

Cool! I wonder if there are also plans to address the missing Flem keys issue in Chex Quest 3.
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