[WIP]Colourful Hell 0.95 tweak tweak

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What do with black shotgun spawn?

Poll ended at Fri Feb 19, 2016 8:24 am

keep as they are
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No votes
modify a little for ranged options
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No votes
Remake the crew for better variance
2
29%
Remake with focus on the leader as the boss
5
71%
Rehaul and scrap the concept, make something else shotgunny instead
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No votes
 
Total votes : 7

Re: [WIP]Colourful Hell 0.926 Eye seem

Postby HaraSwift » Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:17 pm

I worked it out (Kind of) with Lud? Both CH and the midi in question both called something in the same space. I think he's gonna make a post, I'll let him put it into words, because coding is still arcane to me.
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Re: [WIP]Colourful Hell 0.926 Eye seem

Postby Lud » Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:18 pm

Problem is elsewhere. The issue seems to be when Demonsteele's NowThatsWhatICallMIDI is loaded last. Something in the ACS VM fucks up. The exact message is this: "Out of bounds access to local variables in ACS VM."

I'd report it, but I have zero clue where it goes wrong. It seems to happen only with Colourful Hell. Upon launching the game with CH loaded before DSMIDI, the console spits out 3 "Invalid ACS module" messages that point out to acs/commonfuncs.h. Emphasis on the .h part, which is the extension of the acs file in DSMIDI, but not in CH. Both mods have those files.
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Re: [WIP]Colourful Hell 0.926 Eye seem

Postby 4thcharacter » Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:06 pm

After spending some time with this mod lately and enjoying the new monsters and gibbing (hadn't encountered White Caco and Vile yet, at least not naturally by chance). While White Caco is easy to analyze, I don't get White Vile and especially his own brand of floating eyes. I have found some good secrets hidden down the hood. Click the spoiler at your own risk if you don't want the surprise being uh, spoiled.


Spoiler: such as


I like these easter eggs and I wouldn't mind if you put more of 'em, Hege. They're real nice. Maybe you can make a beastie puke out their breakfast or lunch after you gib them, hehe.
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Re: [WIP]Colourful Hell 0.926 Eye seem

Postby D3athStalker » Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:54 pm

Here's the recent incomplete GC Patch: https://mega.nz/#!99JECYCI!81TkAJsX8YFF ... khTALCClFg

Sorry, It only includes compatibility for new CH monsters :(
I need to revamp the new coloured gore system, it's a complete clusterfuck. That one will take a while...
Also, didn't mention the Black/White Nazis. Black Nazi is on work right now, will start White Nazi after that one.
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Re: [WIP]Colourful Hell 0.926 Eye seem

Postby 4thcharacter » Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:24 pm

I remember asking for White HK's homing ghost attack to be tweaked. To this date, it's still as annoying as before and the only way to deal with it is to shoot it which is hard thanks to it's small hitbox. I think those things should be slowed down or make their hitboxes bigger. Or maybe make them fade out after a long time.

It's a pure nightmare and unfairness on narrow places. Other white monsters at least can be hidden from safely for a while.
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Re: [WIP]Colourful Hell 0.926 Eye seem

Postby bowserknight » Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:40 am

found out some more minor things that bother me a bit but which aren't really game-breaking or anything.

-green Arachnotrons can hurt themselves with the small slime particles coming out of their shots, although the damage is very small and it only works when it's really close to a wall

-red Arachnotrons can also hurt themselves with the small red orbs coming out of their blood shots, but here the damage is much higher and it even happens when it's far away from any wall. Had some instances where they just straight up die without me doing anything

-black Arachnotron is so cheap with its bouncing bomb thing, maybe make it slower or make it not last as long... it's literally impossible to avoid if you're not in a really huge room

-yellow Cyberdemon should also have some kind of melee attack like the ones before it, you can sit right in its face (or rather feet) and it won't be able to hit you reliably with the rain of fire. Would be perfect if he would kick you away like the others and launch his skull attack right afterwards. For being a legendary version of a boss, he seems kinda underwhelming and exploitable.
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Re: [WIP]Colourful Hell 0.926 Eye seem

Postby Hege Cactus » Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:21 pm

what are the floating eyes???


Staring judges


I like these easter eggs and I wouldn't mind if you put more of 'em, Hege. They're real nice. Maybe you can make a beastie puke out their breakfast or lunch after you gib them, hehe.


Oh there will be more and there currently is also more
Spoiler:


found out some more minor things that bother me a bit but which aren't really game-breaking or anything.

-green Arachnotrons can hurt themselves with the small slime particles coming out of their shots, although the damage is very small and it only works when it's really close to a wall

-red Arachnotrons can also hurt themselves with the small red orbs coming out of their blood shots, but here the damage is much higher and it even happens when it's far away from any wall. Had some instances where they just straight up die without me doing anything

-black Arachnotron is so cheap with its bouncing bomb thing, maybe make it slower or make it not last as long... it's literally impossible to avoid if you're not in a really huge room

-yellow Cyberdemon should also have some kind of melee attack like the ones before it, you can sit right in its face (or rather feet) and it won't be able to hit you reliably with the rain of fire. Would be perfect if he would kick you away like the others and launch his skull attack right afterwards. For being a legendary version of a boss, he seems kinda underwhelming and exploitable.


-Personally, I like them hurting themselves so Im not gonna change that

-This is troublesome one , I'll try solve this with some tricks at a point cause, yeah.

-I'll consider lowering its uptime

-Kinda so so on this, in otherhand, yeah, makes sense.. On other hand, it already makes things very rainy and you need a safespot somewhere. Not to mention at half health he'll skullfire you anyway.


So update time!
I figured I'd expand on the gray & fireblu monsters a little more cause I had fun making em.

So have an extra challenge update.

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I've also changed the white caco to use custommissile instead of spawn one, and I removed unneeded menu block from the menudef
unfortunantly, I dont still know if it works with older zdoom or not, but it should be easier to modify to work with now.

Full changelog;
Spoiler:
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Re: [WIP]Colourful Hell 0.929 grayline

Postby bowserknight » Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:21 pm

oh okay, didn't know about the half health thing for the yellow Cyberdemon, except that he summons Hellknights.

By the way my map is almost finished, also recorded a video of the whole thing (even tho it's still missing the Cyberdemon and Mastermind paths). Need to adjust some fights, some are too easy and some are too hard. The video is over an hour long... but now I can safely say that each monster can be killed with regular weapons! Even the infamous white vile.
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Re: [WIP]Colourful Hell 0.929 grayline

Postby 4thcharacter » Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:09 pm

It still doesn't work with the older GZDoom thanks to the new Spriteangle feature to the FireBlu PE. Since it just makes the Fireblu PE facing his ass towards you all the time, I think this also has an easy workaround. Also, aren't Fireblu and gray monsters made for multiplayer too?

I think I'll be missing that "I'M INVINCIBLE" from now on...

EDIT: Gray Caco's gibbing is so loud, my ears

EDIT2: Oh, the "I'm invincible"'s still there. It's just that he can't deflect projectiles anymore. And the new belching sounds (i assume this actually means something?) sound hilarious to be honest.
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Re: [WIP]Colourful Hell 0.929 grayline

Postby bowserknight » Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:21 am

So if anyone's interested, here is the arena / test map or whatever that I'm working on for this mod. In this video I go through every single monster with vanilla weapons that's why it takes so long. Still gotta do the Cyberdemon and Mastermind paths but that shouldn't take too long. Also, check the end of the video for something funny.

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Re: [WIP]Colourful Hell 0.929 grayline

Postby Hege Cactus » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:29 am

4thcharacter wrote:It still doesn't work with the older GZDoom thanks to the new Spriteangle feature to the FireBlu PE. Since it just makes the Fireblu PE facing his ass towards you all the time, I think this also has an easy workaround. Also, aren't Fireblu and gray monsters made for multiplayer too?

I think I'll be missing that "I'M INVINCIBLE" from now on...

EDIT: Gray Caco's gibbing is so loud, my ears

EDIT2: Oh, the "I'm invincible"'s still there. It's just that he can't deflect projectiles anymore. And the new belching sounds (i assume this actually means something?) sound hilarious to be honest.


Yeah the gray caco is bit loud, sorry about that, its due of the projectiles
And ofcourse its in there, he doesnt just go invincible + deflect anymore, which is what I was jabbing a joke at, he should still deflect stuff from the front thanks to his new toy

So if anyone's interested, here is the arena / test map or whatever that I'm working on for this mod. In this video I go through every single monster with vanilla weapons that's why it takes so long. Still gotta do the Cyberdemon and Mastermind paths but that shouldn't take too long. Also, check the end of the video for something funny.


so I looked through this and must say, Impressive work! Tho its more of a gauntlet than a showcase map, still, very nice work
I love the little details on some of the black & white room that gives them personality like the white HK room and white caco room

one thing that bit bugs me is that the colour lights on some of the rooms, mostly the blue and green are quite harsh and it hides the translation in the enemies, those rooms that have one enemy stuck in a pillar or caco could have them having normal light if you wish to showcase em.

I'll look forward to the finished map
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Re: [WIP]Colourful Hell 0.929 grayline

Postby 4thcharacter » Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:06 am

Yeah, he does still deflect projectiles with that skull shield which is neat looking and reminds me of Cardfight Vanguard's shield units. For gray caco's noise, I think having it's own definition in SNDINFO with decreased volume and at the same time giving it it's rock projectiles their own actor should do.

Also, I forgot to add that the MENUDEF still causes the older GZDoom be incompatible, but unless it's actually made for the newer GZDoom versions now, we could leave it at that. Still, since the things that use features from the sourceport can be perfectly imitated with a really simple workaround, would it be okay to implement a compatibility patch?
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Re: [WIP]Colourful Hell 0.929 grayline

Postby Hege Cactus » Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:39 am

4thcharacter wrote:Yeah, he does still deflect projectiles with that skull shield which is neat looking and reminds me of Cardfight Vanguard's shield units. For gray caco's noise, I think having it's own definition in SNDINFO with decreased volume and at the same time giving it it's rock projectiles their own actor should do.

Also, I forgot to add that the MENUDEF still causes the older GZDoom be incompatible, but unless it's actually made for the newer GZDoom versions now, we could leave it at that. Still, since the things that use features from the sourceport can be perfectly imitated with a really simple workaround, would it be okay to implement a compatibility patch?


Compat patch would be fantastic yeah
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Re: [WIP]Colourful Hell 0.929 grayline

Postby Lud » Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:03 am

Why would you use an old version anyway?
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Re: [WIP]Colourful Hell 0.929 grayline

Postby 4thcharacter » Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:40 am

For perfect compat on DoomRLA, and for some reason the new versions are prone to crashes. At least on my side.
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