GMOTA: Fantasy arcade action, UPDATE 11/15/2019 [V1.3]

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Re: GMOTA: Fantasy arcade action, NEW UPDATE 3/16/2018 [V1.1

Postby nax » Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:28 pm

animation canceling is intentional
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Re: GMOTA: Fantasy arcade action, NEW UPDATE 3/16/2018 [V1.1

Postby Someone64 » Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:03 pm

I know it's intentional I'm just saying that the fact that you can cancel the animation and come back to it but it doesn't need to continue (some mods for example allow you to cancel super shotgun reload but if you switch back, it has to do the rest of the reload animation) may contribute to Doomslayer's balance issues.
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Re: GMOTA: Fantasy arcade action, NEW UPDATE 3/16/2018 [V1.1

Postby nax » Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:29 pm

but that's the whole point of the animation canceling. it's fun because it's extremely active and engaging, it's a callback to older games where you could cancel animations, and it's even a reference to doom 4 where you can do this.

so for instance, you say there are balance problems with it. Why?

Damage per second? Okay, this is fair. it does massive damage per second. But also a large criticism is that the thunderbuss already does a bit too much damage already, so a damage nerf is probably in order
Trivializes fights? Well most trash mobs can be killed by an actual homing rocket that you do not have to aim, so I don't believe this, particularly, is a problem.
Trivializes fights with harder enemies? Okay, this is fair. So stronger enemies go down perhaps too quickly. A nerf to the thunderbuss's output might help with this as well, and making sure the cybermancer and bonejerks have more hp. They're probably a bit too frail with Blaz and Demonslayer's arsenals.
Ammo usage? Possible. Would people do it as often if it was heavily draining on their ammo? Maybe not considering how much of a workhorse the thunderbuss is, not having it available may make people think twice about using it frivolously on encounters they don't have to.

so the issue becomes more what it's doing rather than it being inherently unbalanced. one of the primary criticisms i've heard so far, and one i've even brought up before is how ammo rich you are in GMOTA as the Doomslayer. there were mechanics built in to ensure the doomslayer doesnt run out of ammo, but it seems that currently it's the opposite issue. and if people are just using the thunderbuss and mace shotgun all the time, it means they're able to and not forced into using weapons for their niche roles. We should examine the overall damage output and resource usages of weapons before we advocate for a mechanic removal, since the problem with it might not be specific to it, given the criticisms thus far.
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Re: GMOTA: Fantasy arcade action, NEW UPDATE 3/16/2018 [V1.1

Postby Cryomundus » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:47 am

First, off, a bug/oversight: magicboots do not give all the protections a radsuit does, so if you happen to play, say The Joy of Mapping 5: Winter Weekend, and choose episode 3, you'll run into underwater sections and hurtfloor underwater sections that the magicboots do not protect you from. Notably the sDamage_SuperHellslime and not resetting the players air supply every tic. I had to cheat and use "give radsuit" so I could properly play the levels.

And now, onto DoomSlayer.

For starters, the Sapphire Bomb is exceptionally strong, such to the point where I don't really bother with the other 2 bomb types. Speaking of them, the Thunder Bomb is a tad redundant in function, as it shoots off homing shots like the Sapphire Bomb, but it doesn't last quite as long. Looks super fancy tho, too bad Sapphire Bomb bits it by a mile. The Fire Bomb is technically a worse version of your starting bomb. Yeah, you can throw it very far, but I have rockets for that.

If anything I'd do 4 things;
1. Nerf Sapphire Bomb
2. Let the player keep only 3 bombs per map transition
3. Change the Thunder bomb so that on impact, it unleashes lightning that arcs between enemies, and stuns them as well.
4. Make the Fire Bomb spawn Fire. Like really, you called it Fire Bomb and then not have it spawn flames? Come on now, you've got the fire from the Inferno Rifle all ready to go!

Reduce the ammo cap for Shotguns to 30/60 or 35/70. I've almost never run out of ammo for the shotgun once I grab a backpack, and given that shells are usually quite plentiful, I never really run out of ammo, even when I try and be a bit careless with shooting.

The HydraRepeater sounds are a bit wimpy, honestly. It deals pretty good damage, but it just doesn't sound particularly meaty.

Yeah, the Thunderbuss could use a damage nerf, and probably a range nerf. It is quite stronk, I usually down a Bonelord with just 2-3 shots with it.

Got no real qualms with the knives, other than I was not aware that even the default one had lifesteal. Outta mention that somewhere so it's a bit more known.

As far as the bosses are concerned, its not so mcun they need a health buff, as it is they need some class-specific attacks. Especially the Cybermancer, he's clearly been designed with Blaz in mind given how much he likes to spin. (boy does he like spinning)

Other than that, I've been enjoying the new character quite a bit!
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Re: GMOTA: Fantasy arcade action, NEW UPDATE 3/16/2018 [V1.1

Postby KarolineDianne » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:07 am

Lifesteal on knives is mentioned in the guide, actually. The nifty little guide in the main menu.
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Re: GMOTA: Fantasy arcade action, NEW UPDATE 3/16/2018 [V1.1

Postby Cryomundus » Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:29 am

Huh, nevermind about that bit then. I was probably tired when I first tried this and thought that only Blaz's was done.
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Re: GMOTA: Fantasy arcade action, NEW UPDATE 3/16/2018 [V1.1

Postby Mere_Duke » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:47 pm

I need an advice about what mapsets are best to play with GMOTA. Thx in advance!
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Re: GMOTA: Fantasy arcade action, NEW UPDATE 3/16/2018 [V1.1

Postby Bigger C » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:50 pm

Eternal DooM 3 and 4 works well IMHO.
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Re: GMOTA: Fantasy arcade action, NEW UPDATE 3/16/2018 [V1.1

Postby r&r » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:20 pm

I like this mod very much
just wondering is there a way to make it compatibly for castlevania simon's destiny wad?
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Re: GMOTA: Fantasy arcade action, NEW UPDATE 3/16/2018 [V1.1

Postby twinkieman93 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:26 pm

Mere_Duke wrote:I need an advice about what mapsets are best to play with GMOTA. Thx in advance!

Legacy of Heroes is another good one.
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Re: GMOTA: Fantasy arcade action, NEW UPDATE 3/16/2018 [V1.1

Postby zrrion the insect » Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:53 pm

Perdition's Gate is a nice mapset for playing weapons mods I've found.
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Re: GMOTA: Fantasy arcade action, NEW UPDATE 3/16/2018 [V1.1

Postby armymen12002003 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:18 pm

Mere_Duke wrote:I need an advice about what mapsets are best to play with GMOTA. Thx in advance!


Herian 2 is a great mapset to play with this.
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Re: GMOTA: Fantasy arcade action, NEW UPDATE 3/16/2018 [V1.1

Postby ArchXeno » Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:26 pm

I think mage gunners and bonelords need a buff, they both feel less threatening than the enemy they're intended to replace. Gunners's shots are low damage and easy to avoid, which works for a low tier monster and not an arguably mid tier one like an arachnotron replacement. I rarely even see their more powerful attacks since they're also fairly squishy. The Bonelord's bomb attack is easily circle strafed, which defeats the purpose of the archvile to heavily restrict the player's movement in open spaces. The other two attacks are only a problem if they hit, and they will never hit an attentive player who is circle strafing for the previously given reason.
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Re: GMOTA: Fantasy arcade action, NEW UPDATE 3/16/2018 [V1.1

Postby Gideon020 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:54 pm

I forgot, is this Heretic/Hexen compatible? Or at least Heretic since there'll need to be a third char for Hexen.
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Re: GMOTA: Fantasy arcade action, NEW UPDATE 3/16/2018 [V1.1

Postby namsan » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:50 am

Thanks for a great update, Kegan!
So much fun.

I found an oddity; Why hyper mode don't consume Diamonds like Fatal draw?
Hyper mode parts replace Plasma rifle, and Diamonds replace cell ammunition.
So if you don't have Fatal draw, Diamonds in map have no usage.
I think it's weird.
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