DoomRL Arsenal - [1.1.2] [MP-B7.2]

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Re: DoomRL Arsenal - [1.1.2] [MP-B7.2]

Postby Machine-Reaper » Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:24 am

FollowTheDamnTrain wrote:Actually, I think it applies exactly as many mods as your weapon supports.


I've tested this and seen that it does this randomly as well, you won't always get 4 mods applied on a weapon that supports upto 4 mods.

sometimes you might only get one applied or 3 etc.
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Re: DoomRL Arsenal - [1.1.2] [MP-B7.2]

Postby FollowTheDamnTrain » Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:30 am

Machine-Reaper wrote:I've tested this and seen that it does this randomly as well, you won't always get 4 mods applied on a weapon that supports upto 4 mods.

sometimes you might only get one applied or 3 etc.

Hmm interesting, I've also tested it about 20-30 times on a battle rifle, rocket launcher and pistol and it never applied less than 4 mods. Not a single time. Sometimes it'd apply 2 modpacks of the same type, but the total number was always 4. Lucky RNG, I guess...
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Re: DoomRL Arsenal - [1.1.2] [MP-B7.2]

Postby Machine-Reaper » Sat Nov 23, 2019 11:02 am

FollowTheDamnTrain wrote:Hmm interesting, I've also tested it about 20-30 times on a battle rifle, rocket launcher and pistol and it never applied less than 4 mods. Not a single time. Sometimes it'd apply 2 modpacks of the same type, but the total number was always 4. Lucky RNG, I guess...


the Randomness can change at times when you change a map or get harmed, kill something and many other things.

in my case I was using it in one map and no matter which weapon I applied it on, it always gave me an single agility mod.

its a crazy mod pack after all.

Also @Yholl can you tell me from which game do those bouncing eyes you got the idea from?

I remember something similar in Commander Keen but I still can't put my finger on it :idea:
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Re: DoomRL Arsenal - [1.1.2] [MP-B7.2]

Postby FollowTheDamnTrain » Sat Nov 23, 2019 10:57 pm

Machine-Reaper wrote:
the Randomness can change at times when you change a map or get harmed, kill something and many other things.

in my case I was using it in one map and no matter which weapon I applied it on, it always gave me an single agility mod.

its a crazy mod pack after all.

Hmm, yeah I noticed that the randomness is really odd in different ways. I'm a Technician main, so extracting modpacks from rare weapons is my go-to strat. Sometimes I get really good RNG and then die, but there's still a chance that on my next try, the same exact enemies would drop the same exact weapons which in turn would convert into the same exact modpacks. At other times this doesn't happen and the RNG is completely renewed (and I usually get pretty pissed).

Other things seem to be completely set in stone throughout multiple iterations.

By the way, it'd be interesting to know the odds of each modpack spawning. Among the 4 "common" ones (Agility, Technical, Bulk, Power), it seems that the agility modpack spawns most frequently (makes sense since it's arguably the worst) while the power mod is a little more rare, but I might be wrong there. The onyx mod seems to be exceptionally rare and I usually come across only 1 on each playthrough; same for the Arti mod.
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Re: DoomRL Arsenal - [1.1.2] [MP-B7.2]

Postby Yholl » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:37 am

Machine-Reaper wrote:Also @Yholl can you tell me from which game do those bouncing eyes you got the idea from?

I remember something similar in Commander Keen but I still can't put my finger on it :idea:
I have no idea what you are talking about.

FollowTheDamnTrain wrote:By the way, it'd be interesting to know the odds of each modpack spawning. Among the 4 "common" ones (Agility, Technical, Bulk, Power), it seems that the agility modpack spawns most frequently (makes sense since it's arguably the worst) while the power mod is a little more rare, but I might be wrong there. The onyx mod seems to be exceptionally rare and I usually come across only 1 on each playthrough; same for the Arti mod.
All basic mods have equal chance, all exotic mods have equal chance. There is no bias.

DRLA wrote: DropItem "RLBulkModItem" 255 2500
DropItem "RLPowerModItem" 255 2500
DropItem "RLAgilityModItem" 255 2500
DropItem "RLTechnicalModItem" 255 2500
DropItem "RLNanoModItem" 255 300
DropItem "RLSniperModItem" 255 300
DropItem "RLFirestormModItem" 255 300
DropItem "RLOnyxModItem" 255 300
DropItem "RLArmorModItem" 255 600
// DropItem "RLArtiModItem" 255 1 // banned for breaking the game, honestly should've expected that from him
The second number is the chance of spawning. Add all the numbers up together, and that'll show you the chance.
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Re: DoomRL Arsenal - [1.1.2] [MP-B7.2]

Postby Machine-Reaper » Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:48 am

Yholl wrote: have no idea what you are talking about.


rood

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Re: DoomRL Arsenal - [1.1.2] [MP-B7.2]

Postby FollowTheDamnTrain » Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:30 am

Yholl wrote:
DRLA wrote: DropItem "RLBulkModItem" 255 2500
DropItem "RLPowerModItem" 255 2500
DropItem "RLAgilityModItem" 255 2500
DropItem "RLTechnicalModItem" 255 2500
DropItem "RLNanoModItem" 255 300
DropItem "RLSniperModItem" 255 300
DropItem "RLFirestormModItem" 255 300
DropItem "RLOnyxModItem" 255 300
DropItem "RLArmorModItem" 255 600
// DropItem "RLArtiModItem" 255 1 // banned for breaking the game, honestly should've expected that from him
The second number is the chance of spawning. Add all the numbers up together, and that'll show you the chance.

So the Arti Mod spawn chance was a whooping 1 : 11.801...? Wow, my luck is off the charts then. ~2,5% for the Firestorm/Nano/Sniper is much less than it actually seemed, too. I get very unlucky with Onyx mods though, for some reason. Very interesting, thanks for the info!

Dumb question: What does the Fire Skull do?
I know the Blood Skull regenerates health based on how many corpses are around, the Hatred Skull gives you berserk time based on how many corpses are around - and the Fire Skull just blows the corpses up, dealing a little damage? It doesn't seem to grant me noticeable buffs or anything.
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Re: DoomRL Arsenal - [1.1.2] [MP-B7.2]

Postby Machine-Reaper » Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:33 am

FollowTheDamnTrain wrote:Dumb question: What does the Fire Skull do?


it explodes corpses like bombs.
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Re: DoomRL Arsenal - [1.1.2] [MP-B7.2]

Postby FollowTheDamnTrain » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:08 pm

Almost figured so...

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Re: DoomRL Arsenal - [1.1.2] [MP-B7.2]

Postby Yholl » Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:31 pm

Machine-Reaper wrote:rood
I have no idea what you are talking about.
Are you going to actually explain what these "bouncing eyes" are, or just declare me rude for asking what you're talking about?
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Re: DoomRL Arsenal - [1.1.2] [MP-B7.2]

Postby Machine-Reaper » Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:37 pm

Yholl wrote:
Machine-Reaper wrote:rood
I have no idea what you are talking about.
Are you going to actually explain what these "bouncing eyes" are, or just declare me rude for asking what you're talking about?


okay I'm confused

I'm asking you if you know since it is your mod obviously and there is a bip in the test room that says "rood" that I thought you would get the idea from as reference.

bips are from commander keen, and I believe Arti Modpacks eyes might also be from commander keen but I can't tell as of still.

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Re: DoomRL Arsenal - [1.1.2] [MP-B7.2]

Postby Yholl » Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:13 pm

Machine-Reaper wrote:I'm asking you if you know since it is your mod obviously and there is a bip in the test room that says "rood" that I thought you would get the idea from as reference.
Something that is entirely unrelated to what you're actually asking about. You posted a single word response, based on something not even related, instead of just giving me more information so I can answer you.

Machine-Reaper wrote:bips are from commander keen, and I believe Arti Modpacks eyes might also be from commander keen but I can't tell as of still.
Arti is the main character of Combined_Arms, one of Combine_Kegan's mods. It has no relation to CK whatsoever. His eyes do things like that.
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Re: DoomRL Arsenal - [1.1.2] [MP-B7.2]

Postby Machine-Reaper » Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:03 pm

Yholl wrote:
Machine-Reaper wrote:I'm asking you if you know since it is your mod obviously and there is a bip in the test room that says "rood" that I thought you would get the idea from as reference.
Something that is entirely unrelated to what you're actually asking about. You posted a single word response, based on something not even related, instead of just giving me more information so I can answer you.

Machine-Reaper wrote:bips are from commander keen, and I believe Arti Modpacks eyes might also be from commander keen but I can't tell as of still.
Arti is the main character of Combined_Arms, one of Combine_Kegan's mods. It has no relation to CK whatsoever. His eyes do things like that.


I first asked you that was Arti Modpack's appearnce was from something related to Commander Keen?

you told me "I don't know what your talking about"

so I said "rood" which is said by the "Bip" in the test map in your mod which IS from Commander Keen, which of course was meant as both a joke and a clue for you to know what I'm talking about.

and thank you for telling me about where the Arti Modpack's origin is from.

also Soulstorm Rifle 's 3rd Artifact description says "it now has a Magazine capacity worthy of the beast itself" but there is no increased capacity in Magazine size.

it does however do 10 points of increased damage (34 points on 2nd Artifact, 44 points on 3rd Artifact)
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Re: DoomRL Arsenal - [1.1.2] [MP-B7.2]

Postby devlman127 » Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:16 pm

Behold, the Renegade Sphere!
https://imgur.com/a/lgFetaA
It spawns shotguns, and lots of 'em.
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Re: DoomRL Arsenal - [1.1.2] [MP-B7.2]

Postby FollowTheDamnTrain » Thu Nov 28, 2019 11:31 pm

When the Cybernetic Armor is boosted via modpack, the description doesn't show up anymore, it appears to access a file named "PDA_ARMOR_BOOSTED_CYBERNETICARMOR<modpackname>_DESC".

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Also, I think that some of the following master assemblies could use a buff (take into consideration that this is a review of all the guns with the +50% Technician bonus damage applied to them):

Plasma Infusion:
I think this whole sub-category is the weakest of all master assemblies, it could use a buff across the board, except for the Laser Minigun which is quite powerful. The Plascharge Launcher isn't very strong against large enemies despite it's wallbang abilities. It could use a slight direct impact damage buff, along with the Plasma Cannon which could also use a slight damage buff. But that might be debatable, so let's move on...

...to the Incineration Device Launcher, which is quite weak, I think it should be able to wipe out a room with pinky demons in one shot. Also, a direct hit from this things' missile seems to do less damage than the flames that the missile emits, so letting it fly past enemies is more effective than hitting them with it, which again makes this more annoying to use.

But the true problem child of this sub-category is the Defense Drone Launcher. That thing is useless. It consumes 20 (!) rockets per drone, which is ridiculous considering the miniscule damage done by each drone (it appears to do 6 damage per shot WITH the Technician damage bonus!), plus the fact that they're destroyed incredibly easily, having only 30 HP. In stationary mode, the drones are slightly better since they autoaim with a fairly high fire rate, but the damage is still low and their resistance is puny.
The drones need a significant damage and resistance buff and the ammo consumption needs to be reduced.

Biggest Fucking Gun:
Considering that it consumes 100 cell ammo per shot and fires excruciatingly slowly while doing about the same damage per shot as the Plasma Refractor, I think this thing doesn't quite live up to it's name. The Nuclear version can stay as it is, but a direct hit from the normal version should wipe the guts of any given enemy across the wall.

Autocannon:
It basically got neutered in the last update. It's not worth to assemble at all.

These guns all totally pale in comparison to the Voltgun, the Plasma Refractor, the Super Machinegun, the Nanomanufacture Ammo sub-category, the Zeuss Cannon and even the Mother-In-Law despite it's fire rate nerf. There's basically no reason to assemble them.

The two strongest weapons damage wise are by far the Voltgun and the Plasma Refractor, followed by the MIL.
Someone said the Plasma Refractor needs a nerf, but I personally would suggest making it more difficult to assemble instead of nerfing it. It's strong af against large, single enemies but less effective for crowd control. So instead of nerfing it, make it's assembly combo a FFNS (Nano because of how efficient it is with ammo...) or FFSS instead of a PPPS. The Voltgun is also ridiculously strong while going really easy on ammo, I'd also make it an exotic modpack only assemble, too. But since you need to get closer to the enemy, I wouldn't nerf it either.
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