DoomRL Arsenal - [1.1.5] [MP-B7.3]

[comet1337]

technician can't remove nanofiber skin armors anymore?
i don't think they are good enough to warrant being unconditionally unremovable
maybe if they were removable, but always break when removed?

[wildweasel]

technician can't remove nanofiber skin armors anymore?

He never could.

[KILLER2]

technician can't remove nanofiber skin armors anymore?
i don't think they are good enough to warrant being unconditionally unremovable
maybe if they were removable, but always break when removed?

I'm pretty sure they're not supposed to be too good. They're probably much more common than your godlike armors, which can be great when you're struggling to survive or you're very deep in a run where you've had godawful RNG. Sure waiting for a better armor can be rewarding, but not if you're getting constantly murdered, or if you want to play this mod like a true DRPG run (one life).

[gunofdis]

Nanoskin armors are a bigger deal in DRL, where good and especially indestructible armors are a lot harder to come by and tend to have significant penalties.

[Viscra Maelstrom]

it's a holdover from DRL pretty much. LDL makes good armor spawns as common as dust particles, so you tend to roll through a lot of good stuff in droves that eclipse the usefulness of irremovable armors like nanoskin and cybernano armor. even without LDL, you can get pretty good armor with just a bit of luck. DRLA is also balanced very different from DRL, adding and changing so much from the base that it's become its own beast in terms of how everything functions.

[Daverin2112]

Hey! First of, AMAZING mod. Enjoy so much fun while playing with these. Even though I now have an irrational hatred of Legendary Nightmare Demons.

So, I have asked this in the discord, but in case this is a better place to ask: I had the totally awesome, great, wonderful, not remotely terrible idea to make it that the assault shotgun applies the ammochain perk. Same for Jackhammer. Now, knowing nothing about modding Doom, I cracked open Slade, looked at the actor for the Battle Rifle, tried to copy, paste, and edit the portions that seemed applicable to activating ammochain to the Assault shotgun, aaaand... nothing happens. No broken games, but the ability does not work.

Questionable value judgment aside, any clue at all what I am doing wrong?

[comet1337]

yeah, indestructability is just a nice bonus to have, but never a deal breaker
outside of weird fringe cases, you'll always have some other armor on hand, and they tend to last a good while
not to mention how much armor bonuses can sustain you
and the nanofiber armors are just not even worth picking up with their halved protection

[gunofdis]

Questionable value judgment aside, any clue at all what I am doing wrong?

Because of the new free shot on ammo pickup thing shotguns no longer use their ammo in the a_firebullets call so copying battle rifle isn't going to get you anywhere. Instead have a look at autoshotgun.

[Daverin2112]

... Duh. Like, so duh. The heck. Somehow completey forgot about them while doing this. Thanks for the tip!

[KILLER2]

During one of my playthroughs I found an onyx-modded gothic armor. I died before i got to use it like a total dumbass, but decided to resurrect and see what it is (at first I thought it's an unique or something). Anyways 80% damage reduction with no downsides, plus the busted melee for the set bonus, plus the resistances, seems pretty absurd to me for just a modded purple (although onyx mods are pretty damn rare).

[DarkTalon25]

During one of my playthroughs I found an onyx-modded gothic armor. I died before i got to use it like a total dumbass, but decided to resurrect and see what it is (at first I thought it's an unique or something). Anyways 80% damage reduction with no downsides, plus the busted melee for the set bonus, plus the resistances, seems pretty absurd to me for just a modded purple (although onyx mods are pretty damn rare).

Melee combat as it is now is, in my opinion, situational at best, and the set doesn't offer any other bonuses. I'd say the Gothic Armor is fair, if a bit of a potential Disc One Nuke with the set.
That being said, your concerns could be addressed by applying a speed & jump height reduction, 20% for Scout, 5% or none for Marine and 10% for the rest.

[KILLER2]

Yholl said they don't want to do speed reductions due to potentially breaking some maps. As for melee, I'm not that concerned, I'm more concerned about the 80%+ DAMAGE REDUCTION! That means you take 1/5 damage you're supposed to take (less from melee and bullet, even). That's hilariously ridiculous on an indestructible armor.

[DarkTalon25]

Ah, I see. Fair enough, can't rebutt that.

[gunofdis]

Yholl said they don't want to do speed reductions due to potentially breaking some maps. As for melee, I'm not that concerned, I'm more concerned about the 80%+ DAMAGE REDUCTION! That means you take 1/5 damage you're supposed to take (less from melee and bullet, even). That's hilariously ridiculous on an indestructible armor.

There are multiple ways be to literally invulnerable via fancy armor (one of which even regenerates) and Gothic is the only exotic that's actually better at being armor than red armor (which is already 40% reduction, 60% on aaagh). It's also the rarest exotic armor, which makes it quite a bit rarer than many of the uniques.

[Viscra Maelstrom]

you're not completely and utterly invincible with it on anyway. sure bullet and melee damage is not going to be much of a problem now, but you're not completely immune to it. and most of the mid to high tier enemies attacks are plasma and fire type, which your armor doesn't resist, and because of their huge damage is still going to be felt by you (notably, cyberdemon rockets will still hurt a lot, nightmare viles flame attacks will rip through you, and any of the hell noble plasma attacks are going to be felt as well). plus the rarity of getting an onyx mod alongside the gothic armor: without it, the armor is going to be torn apart incredibly fast thanks to how high its protection value is.

as far as i know, there's only one armor in the entire game that makes you actually invulnerable to any form of attack (armor piercing capabilities notwithstanding), and it's not indestructible, so it can be torn to pieces if you're careless.

fun fact, when i was doing an ironman run of MM2, on the run i was actually successful, i got some ridiculous luck that ended up giving me 4 onyx mods that i carted around in my inventory. that was pretty ridiculous.