[Unfinished] Strife Needs A God Damn Mod

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Re: [Small Project] Strife Needs A God Damn Mod

Postby Se7eNytes » Fri Nov 26, 2010 9:45 pm

Snarboo wrote:That's true, Ethril. Doom 64's chaingun always felt more powerful to me when it wasn't, all because it shook the screen and had a better firing sound.

Well didn't the chaingun also fire a bit faster in Doom 64?
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Re: [Small Project] Strife Needs A God Damn Mod

Postby Gez » Sat Nov 27, 2010 5:21 pm

Enjay wrote:Mind you, even Heretic and Hexen are relatively poorly supported, much less a game that many Doomers hadn't even heard of until relatively recently.


That's why I've given priority to Heretic and Hexen projects on the ZDoom wiki.

Also, I (or someone else!) need to make one for Raiding the Dam. It's pretty much a ZDoom-exclusive mod after all, what with it not working in SVStrife nor in Vavoom, nor in vanilla, nor in Chocolate, and Doomsday and Eternity not having any real Strife support at the moment.
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Re: [Small Project] Strife Needs A God Damn Mod

Postby amv2k9 » Fri Dec 03, 2010 5:33 pm

I've always thought maybe the neatest thing to do Strife-weapons-mod-wise, without actually adding new weapons, would be to take the Elec/Poison Crossbow, Mauler, & Grenade Launcher, and designate one attack from each to be primary & one to be secondary, rather than flip through them as if they were two separate weapons. And maybe improve the Electric Bolts so they aren't so useless; maybe increase damage against wholly mechanical enemies, and/or give them a chance to stun. That way you get one attack that is great against mechanical enemies, but useless against organic & semi-organic (i.e. dudes w/ cybernetic implants like the Order) enemies, to complement the Poison Bolts which are great against organics but useless against mechs.

And/or take the Grenade Launcher and make it an alt-fire of the Assault Rifle, complete with an Alt Ammo Switch button to change between Phosphor & HiEx grenades. But perhaps that would make the weapon too cheap. :D But maybe making it so that it only shoots 1 grenade would help to compensate. I always thought two grenades was a bit overkill, given how long the flames from the Phosphor stay onscreen.

Or the HiEx Grenades could be used as an altfire for the Assault Rifle, and the Phosphor Grenades as an altfire for the Flamethrower, since you're already using flame attacks with that weapon. That way you beef up the effectiveness of two weapons.
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Re: [Small Project] Strife Needs A God Damn Mod

Postby SamVision » Sat Dec 04, 2010 12:26 am

amv2k9 wrote:Something about making a simple yet effective Strife weapon mod

You know what, thats exactly what I always wanted to do for Strife, but never got around to doing it.
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Re: [Small Project] Strife Needs A God Damn Mod

Postby Ethril » Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:10 pm

SamVision wrote:
amv2k9 wrote:Something about making a simple yet effective Strife weapon mod

You know what, thats exactly what I always wanted to do for Strife, but never got around to doing it.


I'm willing to bet that a LOT of us are thinking the same thing.
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Re: [Small Project] Strife Needs A God Damn Mod

Postby amv2k9 » Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:01 pm

Snarboo wrote:Sure, one of the mauler's firing modes acts like a shotgun, but you get it so late in the game and it's not as satisfying to use as an actual shotgun. There's just something raw about unloading a shell into a guy, I dunno.


Not to mention it looks, with all due respect to Rogue, kinda goofy. A combination of BFG & an energy version of the SSG probably shouldn't look like a vacuum cleaner. :D

Perhaps it could be a traditional shotty, but one that fires shells that contain the energy pellets?

EDIT: Whoops, meant Rogue.
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Re: [Small Project] Strife Needs A God Damn Mod

Postby NeuralStunner » Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:03 pm

amv2k9 wrote:Not to mention it looks, with all due respect to Raven, kinda goofy.
Raven had nothing to do with Strife.
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Re: [Small Project] Strife Needs A God Damn Mod

Postby wildweasel » Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:35 pm

Poll and Help Requested

I intend to remove or alter Strife's accuracy system. I don't really like the level-up accuracy very much, so I planned on replacing it with a different reward for each level. What sort of rewards should I add, and for that matter, does Decorate A_JumpIfInventory even work with UpgradeAccuracy, or would I have to replace it?
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Re: [Small Project] Strife Needs A God Damn Mod

Postby Ethril » Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:24 pm

wildweasel wrote:Poll and Help Requested

I intend to remove or alter Strife's accuracy system. I don't really like the level-up accuracy very much, so I planned on replacing it with a different reward for each level. What sort of rewards should I add, and for that matter, does Decorate A_JumpIfInventory even work with UpgradeAccuracy, or would I have to replace it?


Weapon upgrades! There are 10 Accuracy Upgrades in the game, right? Well, there are also 10 weapons (including the separate firing modes, excluding the Sigil), so you could have each "accuracy upgrade" unlock the altfire (or some other bonus) of a different weapon. Kind of like Heretic's Tome of Power, with increased ammo usage and such, except permanent, each weapon needs its own, and you can still use the normal mode.
I forget the exact order you obtain each weapon, but something like
Punch-dagger (Some sort of combo technique, or an electrified/poisoned dagger tip!) -> Electric Bolts (Chain lightning) -> Assault Gun (Sniper shot/super rapid fire/underslung grenade launcher/bayonet?) -> Poison Bolts (Toxic cloud?)-> Missile Launcher (Homing shots?) -> Flamethrower (NAPALM ROCKET) -> Grenades (Cluster explosion)-> Mauler Spread (Full auto/blast radius on shot impacts/CRATERGUN?)-> Phosphorous Grenades (Firewall!)-> Mauler BFG (Something more like a slightly nerfed Doom BFG or slightly buffed Plasma Rifle)
would probably work, as an example for the normal weapons. Of course, the weapon's accuracy would either be upgraded along with each "tech upgrade", or kept at a static, middle-of-the-road level.
Actually, that would make a damn good mod in itself...

I don't think UpgradeAccuracy (Or AccuracyUpgrade, whatever) functions properly with A_JumpIfInventory and such, though; You'll likely have to replace it entirely. :?
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Re: [Small Project] Strife Needs A God Damn Mod

Postby wildweasel » Wed Dec 08, 2010 12:42 am

http://files.drdteam.org/index.php/file ... ifemod.pk3

Accuracy is not checked at the moment, but this version adds in the silenced pistol and shotgun, the latter of which comes courtesy of JustinC.

Known issues:
- The Silenced Pistol pickup sprite is currently rather large.
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Re: [Small Project] Strife Needs A God Damn Mod

Postby Big C » Wed Dec 08, 2010 1:11 am

I like the new guns.

Some ideas:

-I agree with Ethril's idea of being able to upgrade weapons.
-Maybe give the shotgun both buckshot and slug ammo?
-Shotgun can be upgraded to fire semi- or full-auto?
-Increase the projectile speed of the crossbow, perhaps? Maybe to balance it require a reload after every shot. Also, someone suggested making the volt arrows stun organic enemies. Sounds like a good idea to me.
-Drunken swarm rockets for mini-missile launcher's altfire sound good? More power, less accuracy.
-On that note, I'm wondering if the game needs a sniper weapon...
-Change the arc of the grenade launcher to something saner that won't bounce back in my face off an OVERHEAD WALL EDGE. D:<
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Re: [Small Project] Strife Needs A God Damn Mod

Postby Snarboo » Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:51 pm

Oh man this update rules. JustinC did a great job on the shotgun sprites. This is just what Strife needed. :D
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Re: [Small Project] Strife Needs A God Damn Mod

Postby Xaser » Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:17 pm

I'm really loving the shotgun sprites, but the weapon itself sounds and feels very weak. I can barely kill a Sentinel in two shots with it.
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Re: [Small Project] Strife Needs A God Damn Mod

Postby BouncyTEM » Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:22 pm

Xaser wrote:I'm really loving the shotgun sprites, but the weapon itself sounds and feels very weak. I can barely kill a Sentinel in two shots with it.


For that matter, even an Acolyte takes two shots. At point blank. :\
Really love the sprites, but, I hate the feel of the weapon. It just seems uncooperative and underwhelming to me. I've never been a huge fan of the semi-auto, mis-aim thing in weapon mods, so this wasn't in my particular tastes anyway, but I've tolerated it before when a weapon actually gets the job done. This shotgun, though, I felt I was getting more kickback and frustration in using it than I did in accomplishing anything. Seriously, it's a shotgun, and the only thing I can seem to one-shot with it is peasants? :blergh:

I think i'm going to write a simpler version of the shotgun with those sprites to have something truer to Strife's feel weapon-wise, just for my tastes.
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Re: [Small Project] Strife Needs A God Damn Mod

Postby Trooper 077 » Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:25 pm

Agreed, The shotgun is beautiful but is does feel weak


Also is Justinc Re-making or adding more self made weapons to this mod? I would really love to see him make more contributions to this.

Maybe A new silencer pistol :D ?

Sorry weasel, It kinda feels out of place technology wise
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