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Re: Hideous Destructor [Release version 3.3.0]
So after a pretty crazy twitch stream of hd done by fort of hard knox, a few ideas.
First, for a 15 minute period or so, it seems fort was permanently invincible, and on fire, from a mix of spiritual energy / armor, and excessive temperature (?). No idea the actual cause, but there's several clips of it. Something broke pretty badly.
The fire mechanics besides seem pretty nice, and certainly make imps more reasonable. Its handy, and certainly makes fire less if a death sentence, while still a threat.
Weapon bob is nice, and interesting, but I'd suggest pistols be more a wandering than a Bobbing. Its contained entirely in the hand, compared to bullpups and above and so would be easier to control in terms of locomotion bobbing the gun up and down. Alternatively, what if the Vulcanette had a strap like the bfg, to somewhat arrest bobbing, and provide better stability / lack of drop in exchange for a harder time turning, and unequiping the gun, and being unable to brace on the map? I think this would really distinguish the vulcanette a little.
First, for a 15 minute period or so, it seems fort was permanently invincible, and on fire, from a mix of spiritual energy / armor, and excessive temperature (?). No idea the actual cause, but there's several clips of it. Something broke pretty badly.
The fire mechanics besides seem pretty nice, and certainly make imps more reasonable. Its handy, and certainly makes fire less if a death sentence, while still a threat.
Weapon bob is nice, and interesting, but I'd suggest pistols be more a wandering than a Bobbing. Its contained entirely in the hand, compared to bullpups and above and so would be easier to control in terms of locomotion bobbing the gun up and down. Alternatively, what if the Vulcanette had a strap like the bfg, to somewhat arrest bobbing, and provide better stability / lack of drop in exchange for a harder time turning, and unequiping the gun, and being unable to brace on the map? I think this would really distinguish the vulcanette a little.
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Re: Hideous Destructor [Release version 3.3.0]
are the imps doing any damage at all???
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Re: Hideous Destructor [Release version 3.3.0]
Yes, but I'm not entirely sure what happened. Around 2:25:00 of his stream, he goes through a teleport, and is attacked by several enemies, set on fire, and is invincible / on fire for the rest of the level (much to everyone's amusement).
I don't have the foggiest idea what happened honestly, i think excess megaspheres granted invincibility, while the fire stacked to an exponential point.
I'd honestly watch the footage
http://www.twitch.tv/fortofhardknox/v/2 ... =a&t=8692s
This is a few seconds before the teleport that breaks the game, and causes so many laughs. And he remains in such a state for a long time after, till finishing the level.
I don't have the foggiest idea what happened honestly, i think excess megaspheres granted invincibility, while the fire stacked to an exponential point.
I'd honestly watch the footage
http://www.twitch.tv/fortofhardknox/v/2 ... =a&t=8692s
This is a few seconds before the teleport that breaks the game, and causes so many laughs. And he remains in such a state for a long time after, till finishing the level.
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Re: Hideous Destructor [Release version 3.3.0]
Personally I really like the Vulcanette bulk and lack of a strap, it makes it more enforced as a heavy support gun. But maybe a strap variant?
On the subject of the blind (to the player) res'd enemies, I haven't had as many as I did when I first reported it. However, on a DUMP map, I had a shotgun guy res in a room with just myself in it, and after a few seconds, it woke up/saw me properly, and started attacking like normal. It's almost as if they aren't running a check on wake up LoS or something as often as they should. And to clarify, it wasn't doing the breathing idle frames, it was moving around after it res'd, the alert state. So bizarre.
On the subject of the blind (to the player) res'd enemies, I haven't had as many as I did when I first reported it. However, on a DUMP map, I had a shotgun guy res in a room with just myself in it, and after a few seconds, it woke up/saw me properly, and started attacking like normal. It's almost as if they aren't running a check on wake up LoS or something as often as they should. And to clarify, it wasn't doing the breathing idle frames, it was moving around after it res'd, the alert state. So bizarre.
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Re: Hideous Destructor [Release version 3.3.0]
I mean, i understand, but i think its far too stable considering its size, length, weight, revving engine, and recoil, particularly when moving. So I was thinking making it normally LESS stable, but having a strap like the bfg, so you can go commando mode, but with some drawbacks. Or you could try shooting while wrestling with the recoil, dropping weight, and everything else. Honestly, firing the vulcanette should be a little bit exhausting without a brace of some sort.
Re: Hideous Destructor [Release version 3.3.0]
Fort really needs the role of "Burning Ranger" on the discord for putting up with 4 archviles and surviving 10 minutes on fire. Because holy shit that was brutal for him.
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Re: Hideous Destructor [Release version 3.3.0]
Alternatively, "Man on Fire".LSWraith wrote:Fort really needs the role of "Burning Ranger" on the discord for putting up with 4 archviles and surviving 10 minutes on fire. Because holy shit that was brutal for him.
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Re: Hideous Destructor [Release version 3.3.0]
So on a recent stream, me, sledge, knox, and others were debating the TB, its rather precarious balance, and other issues, and i thought of a possible rework that would be less wonky and perhaps more reliable.
What if the tb used an electric current to make plasma, like a plasma cutter, store it in a gas bubble (perhaps using a process to separate hydrogen and oxygen, and make a different innert gas) to make plasma "bubbles" similar to the imp fireballs? I figure you could also give it a half life tao cannon like effect, funneling in more juice for a Megaman / samus like charge, with a full charge being like the tb current blast, and a minor charge being like a single balefire blast.
This way you could have a sort of trooper gun that still could FUNCTION as artillery by being overloaded (with a small chance of chatostrophoc failure at full capacity if held very long) but also functions as a heavy support weapon.
This would fix issues of the tb being simoltaniosly op (fresh battery, multiple blasts immediately) and weak (with half a battery, and useless).
I figure the power level could effect velocity, refire time, max charge, and accuracy of the bubble, and possibly even have an amperage dial for how much juice is used, to either get full power, or conserve energy, as well as fit more situations (rapid small fireballs rather than slower large one's for close up) and could possibly bring back a traditional take on plasma without making it terribly different, and also fixing many (what i consider) issues.
Knox SEEMED ok with the idea, but I'll let him speak for himself, i also bring it up because i feel it would work well with the new temperature system.
What if the tb used an electric current to make plasma, like a plasma cutter, store it in a gas bubble (perhaps using a process to separate hydrogen and oxygen, and make a different innert gas) to make plasma "bubbles" similar to the imp fireballs? I figure you could also give it a half life tao cannon like effect, funneling in more juice for a Megaman / samus like charge, with a full charge being like the tb current blast, and a minor charge being like a single balefire blast.
This way you could have a sort of trooper gun that still could FUNCTION as artillery by being overloaded (with a small chance of chatostrophoc failure at full capacity if held very long) but also functions as a heavy support weapon.
This would fix issues of the tb being simoltaniosly op (fresh battery, multiple blasts immediately) and weak (with half a battery, and useless).
I figure the power level could effect velocity, refire time, max charge, and accuracy of the bubble, and possibly even have an amperage dial for how much juice is used, to either get full power, or conserve energy, as well as fit more situations (rapid small fireballs rather than slower large one's for close up) and could possibly bring back a traditional take on plasma without making it terribly different, and also fixing many (what i consider) issues.
Knox SEEMED ok with the idea, but I'll let him speak for himself, i also bring it up because i feel it would work well with the new temperature system.
Re: Hideous Destructor [Release version 3.3.0]
Burning Man!Samarai1000 wrote:Alternatively, "Man on Fire".LSWraith wrote:Fort really needs the role of "Burning Ranger" on the discord for putting up with 4 archviles and surviving 10 minutes on fire. Because holy shit that was brutal for him.
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Re: Hideous Destructor [Release version 3.3.0]
So what powerups and armor makes you invurnable for some time?
Re: Hideous Destructor [Release version 3.3.0]
Invulerability.
THe megasphere doesn't let you drop below 8 HP.
THe megasphere doesn't let you drop below 8 HP.
Re: Hideous Destructor [Release version 3.3.0]
I feel like I've been wanting this mod my whole life. Great stuff. Never thought I'd have so much fun dying over, and over, and over again in Doom.
Any resources or community portals for getting hooked up for co-op games?
Any resources or community portals for getting hooked up for co-op games?
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Re: Hideous Destructor [Release version 3.3.0]
Yeah, check out the Discord server: https://discord.gg/eRqGK9e
There's usually enough of us to get a game going every weekend or so.
There's usually enough of us to get a game going every weekend or so.
Re: Hideous Destructor [Release version 3.3.0]
I believe it was the heavily modified doom sounds that were used, I know the exact sounds you're talking about with the latter but those aren't the ones that I'm thinking about.Matt wrote:Were those the heavily edited Doom sounds rather than the ones from the Sound Bible?