MetaDoom v4.1 "Fred" (p81)

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Re: MetaDoom v4.1 "Fred" (p81)

Postby Techokami » Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:27 pm

I'm gonna try and field some of these questions, I hope Kinsie doesn't mind.
Baronos wrote:-What do you think of adding a monster option for the mod?
Like this: -Vanilla -Progressive -Alternative -Random
I know new monsters appear progressively but I thought It would be an option for those who want to fight the new ones right off the bat.
You can already disable the Progressive spawns by enabling the Content Locust Mode in the MetaDoom Options. This makes everything that can spawn start spawning from the first map. Beware, this can be a bit imbalanced.
Baronos wrote:-Are you going to add Glory Kills from Doom 4?
I'm not talking about making an animation for the kills,that would ruin the pace.Just something similar.
I believe Kinsie has stated that this will not be added to MetaDoom.
Baronos wrote:-Will there be variations of some weapons?
I'm not talking about whole new weapons,just different skins:Like the regular chainsaw replaced with the Doom64 version.
There's a plan for implementing the Sixty-Saw, but it got pushed back. Who knows?
Baronos wrote:-Speaking of skins and Doom 4,are you going to give to the Cyberdemon the same treatment as the Spider Mastermind?
What I'm trying to say is if you're going to give a new look the Cyberdemon with some moves from Doom 4,it feels quite underwhelming if compared to the Mastermind.
What do you mean? It's got the Doom 64 sprite sets, it has a dash attack, and it can move AND shoot at the same time!
Baronos wrote:-Considering this is a mod that combines everything from Doom in different media,will there be something from the Doom movie,too?
I know this sounds weird,but I think it would be quite nice have something from the Doom movie:Maybe a weapon or a new enemy,like Sarge(The Rock) which would be a stronger shotgunner but has a weaker version of the hellknight's jump attack.
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Baronos wrote:-The last one(maybe I'm asking too much with this):Are you going to add the Mother Demon from Doom64,too?
Yes,It might be impossible add her to the bunch but I think it would go like this:she appears really rarely and replaces the Mastermind or the Cyberdemon.
This is something we wanted to add in, but Kinsie couldn't think of a sane way to add it in without breaking everything.
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Re: MetaDoom v4.1 "Fred" (p81)

Postby wildweasel » Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:39 pm

Baronos wrote:I know this sounds weird,but I think it would be quite nice have something from the Doom movie:Maybe a weapon or a new enemy,like Sarge(The Rock) which would be a stronger shotgunner but has a weaker version of the hellknight's jump attack.

While it's unlikely we'll see actual in-game content based on the movie (as there's not really a frame of reference for behavior, it'd largely become fanfic-material), I could certainly see there being room for some sarcastic reference to the movie or plot points from it (like referring to the Berserk pack as "C24 Serum", or Pinkies randomly having wheels instead of legs).

Personally, if we were adding material from the film into actual gameplay, I'd want to rally for things from the books as well, like the much-vaunted M-211 Semi-automatic Gas-Operated Infantry Combat Weapon (Sig-Cow).
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Re: MetaDoom v4.1 "Fred" (p81)

Postby Baronos » Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:09 pm

What do you mean? It's got the Doom 64 sprite sets, it has a dash attack, and it can move AND shoot at the same time!
I was talking about the design,I was asking if he will change him to make him look more like his Doom 4 version.
I was also asking if he will add more moves from Doom 4 like his "rocket rain" attack.
Thank you very much for the responses.By the way:P
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Re: MetaDoom v4.1 "Fred" (p81)

Postby Kinsie » Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:44 am

Baronos wrote:-What do you think of adding a monster option for the mod?
Like this: -Vanilla -Progressive -Alternative -Random
I know new monsters appear progressively but I thought It would be an option for those who want to fight the new ones right off the bat.
See Techo's post.

Baronos wrote:-Are you going to add Glory Kills from Doom 4?
I'm not talking about making an animation for the kills,that would ruin the pace.Just something similar.
The melee button is about as far as I'll go with this.

Baronos wrote:-Will there be variations of some weapons?
I'm not talking about whole new weapons,just different skins:Like the regular chainsaw replaced with the Doom64 version.
Highly doubtful, it would overcomplicate the weapon code, which is complex enough as it is. The D64 chainsaw was planned to be added as a seperate weapon (sort of as an easter egg), and I still intend on doing it.

Baronos wrote:-Speaking of skins and Doom 4,are you going to give to the Cyberdemon the same treatment as the Spider Mastermind?
What I'm trying to say is if you're going to give a new look the Cyberdemon with some moves from Doom 4,it feels quite underwhelming if compared to the Mastermind.
DrPySpy (who did the spider sprites) was doing something similar for a mod of his own that I don't think was announced and that I don't think he's currently working on. Who knows?

Baronos wrote:-Considering this is a mod that combines everything from Doom in different media,will there be something from the Doom movie,too?
I know this sounds weird,but I think it would be quite nice have something from the Doom movie:Maybe a weapon or a new enemy,like Sarge(The Rock) which would be a stronger shotgunner but has a weaker version of the hellknight's jump attack.
I'd like to have some kind of reference to the movie and novels, but I'm not sure how crazy I'd be able to go with it. We'll see what the future holds.

Baronos wrote:-The last one(maybe I'm asking too much with this):Are you going to add the Mother Demon from Doom64,too?
Yes,It might be impossible add her to the bunch but I think it would go like this:she appears really rarely and replaces the Mastermind or the Cyberdemon.
I'd love to, but I'm not sure what the best way of integrating them into the game would be.
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Re: MetaDoom v4.1 "Fred" (p81)

Postby Baronos » Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:54 am

I'd love to, but I'm not sure what the best way of integrating them into the game would be.

I think the best way to put her in the game would be making an option only for her.As I said she replaces the Mastermind or the Cyberdemon but It's actually pretty rare.
Like this=Spawning Mother Demon: On/Off with a warning below.
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Re: MetaDoom v4.1 "Fred" (p81)

Postby whatup876 » Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:59 pm

If DyPySpy is still working on the MetaDoom codex, maybe the entry for the Bull Demon (Doom 3 Pinky) could have a reference to the Pinky guy from the movie.

Baronos wrote:
I'd love to, but I'm not sure what the best way of integrating them into the game would be.

I think the best way to put her in the game would be making an option only for her.As I said she replaces the Mastermind or the Cyberdemon but It's actually pretty rare.
Like this=Spawning Mother Demon: On/Off with a warning below.


Kinsie did something interesting with the Unmaker, demon keys and nightmare Imps for the consolation prize version of Doom 64, where they'd spawn in the exact same spots they'd do in the original game.

Edit: Maybe the Codex could be used to reference Doom related media, like the Berserk entry referencing the comic book or the spheres having entries referecing how the novels mentioned how they were used.

Edit 2: And CyberDemon's entry could have something to do with Wolfenstein RPG.
Seems like a lot could be done with this.
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