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Paradise (3 maps + gameplay mod)

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:35 am
by Tango
This project has received a significant update in 2019. Please visit the link below for the new 2019 version that features over 2x as many maps:

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/1 ... p-balance/

The original post for the 2018 version is in the spoiler below, if for some reason you want to play the old, outdated, inferior version.

Spoiler:

Re: Paradise (3 maps + gameplay mod)

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:35 am
by Gideon020
This looks interesting, I'll give it a go and I'm always a sucker for interesting weapon mods.

Re: Paradise (3 maps + gameplay mod)

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:57 am
by StroggVorbis
Nice to see that you brought that work of yours from Doomworld to our neck of the woods :D
I still haven't registered there, so here comes a good opportunity to give some feedback:
-If the CVAR is true, Plasma Zombie clips contain 10 instead of 5 bullets (Use A_DropItem instead of A_SpawnItemEX?)
-Since the new Plasma Rifle has a clip size of 30, why not raise the amount you get from cells in accordance?
-Similar to the point above, you could reduce the amount of ammo from clips to 6 so it fits with the pistol and 24 instead of 20 for the assault rifle, so it's 50% of the clip size (without backpack) and chaingunners drop them with 12 rounds :)

Re: Paradise (3 maps + gameplay mod)

PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:36 am
by Tango
DabbingSquidward wrote:Nice to see that you brought that work of yours from Doomworld to our neck of the woods :D
I still haven't registered there, so here comes a good opportunity to give some feedback:
-If the CVAR is true, Plasma Zombie clips contain 10 instead of 5 bullets (Use A_DropItem instead of A_SpawnItemEX?)
-Since the new Plasma Rifle has a clip size of 30, why not raise the amount you get from cells in accordance?
-Similar to the point above, you could reduce the amount of ammo from clips to 6 so it fits with the pistol and 24 instead of 20 for the assault rifle, so it's 50% of the clip size (without backpack) and chaingunners drop them with 12 rounds :)


cheers, thanks so much for the feedback mate :D

1) oops. do zombie clips only contain 5 bullets in vanilla? I didn't realize A_DropItem was a thing though, that is probably better to use here regardless of the 5 vs 10 issue
2 & 3) yeah these are great suggestions. I don't think I want to make any changes for the sake of these maps since I would have to rebalance the ammo, but this would be a really good thing for me to do moving forward with the gameplay mod, post-Paradise

Re: Paradise (3 maps + gameplay mod)

PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:25 am
by StroggVorbis
As a rule of thumb, every weapon or ammo dropped by monsters always contains half the defined amount, if not explicably defined otherwise. So, for example a dropped shell box or cell would contain 10 ammo, a clip box 25 and a rocket box 2 (2.5 rounded down).

There's also the Ammo.DropAmount property & AmmoDropFactor setting in MAPINFO.

Re: Paradise (3 maps + gameplay mod)

PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:31 pm
by Tango
hot damn I had no idea D: I guess that would explain why I could never remember if clips were worth 5 or 10 bullets. thanks for letting me know though DabbingSquidward, I appreciate it :D (also apologies for the delayed response)

instead of using A_DropItem, I've stuck with A_SpawnItemEx but instead changed the drop from a bullet clip to a new "bullet half clip" item, which has 5 bullets instead of 10. looks the same visually but has an altered pickup message so that things are clear. will be uploading a hopefully final version with this change quite soon

edit: updated OP with beta 12, which is hopefully the final version. will probably upload to the idgames archive tomorrow

Re: Paradise (3 maps + gameplay mod)

PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:27 am
by StroggVorbis
Not meaning to be pedantic, but the TangoGreenArmor pickupmessage states it has an absorption of 30%, while it actually is 33% :D

At first I thought you changed the SavePercent to 30 as a nod to Quake, but then I got disappointed after finding out that the blue armor doesn't have 60 or 80 percent :P

Re: Paradise (3 maps + gameplay mod)

PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:34 am
by Tango
hahah god damn DabbingSquidward!!! ah well. fixing now, will upload a final version momentarily. thanks for pointing it out :p

edit: okay, made the appropriate fix, and reuploaded. download link in OP has been adjusted. considering this the final version, will upload to the idgames archive shortly

edit edit: I've got the file open in SLADE, looking at the LANGUAGE lump, staring at 33%... but running that same file in game still shows 30%? very confused. is the LANGUAGE lump cached or something?? in any case, not a huge issue, still going to consider this the final release D:

Re: Paradise (3 maps + gameplay mod)

PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:29 am
by EffinghamHuffnagel
It's because you have two LANGUAGE lumps, one in the pk3 and one inside the t-paradise-maps.wad. I assume the one in the maps wad loads last. That one still has the armor at 30%.

Re: Paradise (3 maps + gameplay mod)

PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:56 am
by Tango
wowza I am a dummy. thanks for catching that EffinghamHuffnagel, very much appreciate it. I still haven't uploaded this to the archives so I'll make a small fix for that and then upload it to the archives, and will update the link in this thread as well when I have done so

Re: Paradise (3 maps + gameplay mod)

PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 7:13 pm
by ReX
Holy mackerel! Those screenshots are stunning! I must have been hibernating under a rock to have missed this. I will download and give it a whirl, as it looks incredibly promising.

Re: Paradise (3 maps + gameplay mod)

PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 4:48 am
by Tango
haha thanks so much for the kind words Rex :D much appreciated!

Re: Paradise (3 maps + gameplay mod)

PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:22 pm
by ReX
ReX wrote:I will download and give it a whirl, as it looks incredibly promising.

I played through this mod and it was a blast (and I'm not just talking about the sound made by the Scrap Gun)!

I have written up a small review at DooM Nexus. But for those that can't be bothered to read it, here are excerpts:

".... intense levels that will keep you on your toes"
".... features plenty of new stuff: enemies, weapons, textures, music, sounds"
".... the game is visually appealing, encouraging exploration and frequent pauses to admire the breathtaking vistas and complexity of the structures"
The maps are ".... complex, non-linear masterpieces that loop around and have multiple intersecting paths and 'reveals' "
".... This mod deserves to be played more than once"

Three thumbs up.

Re: Paradise (3 maps + gameplay mod)

PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:18 pm
by Tango
haha you are too kind. replied on Doomworld already, but let me say again here, thanks so much for playing and writing about it ReX :D

Re: Paradise (3 maps + gameplay mod)

PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2019 6:07 pm
by CD-Roman
On doomworld u can find newst version, with more maps and some changes, from 27mb to 40ishmb

Great stuff mate!