Satanic Doomers - Going Nowhere Fast [Community Project]

[Mr.Enchanter]

So I've rejected Quantum Danger's MAP15 slot participation because it's a Zdoom map and because it doesn't fit with the rest of this project, it's too small and too basic, so I've reopened the MAP15 slot for anyone interested.

@Mr.Enchanter Could you please show an overhead view of your entire map, I just want to see if you've made it too big, because it's supposed to be a somewhat brief episode opener just any other I plan to have in this project.

Sure.

I don't have much more planned, yellow key leads to exit, and both blue and red are relatively simple to get, this is rather condensed.

Done and satisfied with the red key area, about halfway done with the level now, part of that is manipulating my layout, and the other part is decorating/adding things to the section.

[zrakbz]

Hey Joe, that thing with "moving" a secret is proving to be 2hard4me and my h4x0ring skillz0rz. (Actually, I could do that, but I'd like to keep the little sanity I have left.)
But I still want that disappearing secret.
Would you mind if I included a midtexture that literally warns the player that a secret can become unreachable? Or wrote such a thing on the automap.

p.s.

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The monsters have blasted the wall of the mayor's office, the poor man defended himself with his shotgun, and was severely punished for that.
I hope you'll be able to sleep tonight, this is your fault. ;]



Is this better? This also required a rework of the sliding door, btw.

[egg_boi]

Updated it. It's a bit harder.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/vmm742n1b ... ligion.wad

[joe-ilya]

@Mr. Enchanter Seems small enough, good job.

@zbrakbz Don't put warnings, it should incredibly easy to alter the secrets, all you have to do is open access to the new secret after the old one gets deceased, there's nothing fancy, it's not even a Boom effect, it's vanilla, unlike those sliding doors which you've managed to master anyways, the new design for the mayor room is much better now.

@egg_boi Looks like you just threw in the monsters without much thought, the cyberdemon doesn't fit in this compact layout and there's not much of a trap anyways, there's not much teaser for the key and you can exit the map way too easily without having to encounter either of the traps.
The map needs a bit more detail in the buildings, they look too bland inside, especially noticable with your texture choices there.
The megaarmor secret shouldn't be a one time only secret.
The blue skull key ambush doesn't work because the revs and the barons are jammed into each other.

More bugs (with screenshots) :

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There's a bleeding sector to the right,can be fixed by placing the verticles on a bigger grid.
http://i.imgur.com/9ztixYJ.png

Bleeding sector to the left, HOM to the right, can be fixed by placing the verticles on a bigger grid, the HOM can be fixed by setting the sky correctly.
http://i.imgur.com/D2rPdjd.png

A HOM on the top right, can be fixed by setting the sky correctly.
http://i.imgur.com/29ycWcu.png

This switch's platform can be fully lowered to this situation where you can push it before the actual lift raises yet, you can fix this by changing the sector tag of the sector the switch is set above to 0.
http://i.imgur.com/pnZdnkU.png

A HOM you can see when you lower the lift while the water still raises.
http://i.imgur.com/PRHodHx.png

A couple monsters stuck to each other on the left.
http://i.imgur.com/yDkv1OZ.png

Most of these bugs exist because you playtested with GZdoom instead of PRBoom+ or some other Boom source port.

[meatman12]

I don't think HOM's, sector tags, monsters getting stuck, or bleeding sectors persist to GZDoom and get magically fixed by Boom ports. HOM's are commonly caused by having no texture on a linedef, monsters getting stuck is because of placement in the map, the sector tag-thing is a mapping error, and the bleeding sector thing is because of the aforementioned placement of verticies.

[Mr.Enchanter]

I don't think HOM's, sector tags, monsters getting stuck, or bleeding sectors persist to GZDoom and get magically fixed by Boom ports. HOM's are commonly caused by having no texture on a linedef, monsters getting stuck is because of placement in the map, the sector tag-thing is a mapping error, and the bleeding sector thing is because of the aforementioned placement of verticies.

What he's saying is that GzDoom fixes a lot of these issues, but Boom/PrBoom does not. He needs to test it in a Boom derivative engine to ensure that there are minimal graphical and map structure errors.

[joe-ilya]

Yeah, that's what I meant.

[meatman12]

Oh. Yeah, that makes more sense.

[Mr.Enchanter]

I'm nearly done with my map, I have to finish two areas, where you get the yellow key, and where you get to the exit, I will fix issues if anyone can find any, as well as change anything that needs to be changed based on suggestions. Had a friend play it last night and she said it was a little difficult, but not too hard, may or may need to tone back the mass monster spawn in after grabbing the red key if it's too difficult, may need to add more ammo. At this point if you find all of the secrets then you are more than prepared.

Got some screenies:





Last one is the exit, you escape the valley and go to the next city/town.

Here is an overview of the map, the shape is finished, all that's left to do is finish the interiors of a couple buildings.

[Athel]

Y'know, I have been making some semi-decent crap in Doom Builder 2 recently. Is it alright if I enter this and claim Map 26, or do I need to make a quick map to prove my worth?

[joe-ilya]

You have one of the worst mapping reputations, I'm not allowing you to claim slots, but I'll allow you to take MAP26 of this project if your map will at least be fitting with the rest of the maps quality-wise once you finish your map.

[Athel]

See, that's why I want to join SOMETHING. My crappy reputation came from my horrible and immature attempts of mapping on an android device. I want to come back to show that I am no longer the crappy immature 12 year old that I once was, making shit posts and overall being a nuisance to everybody. I have access to an actual laptop now, GZDoom Builder set up, and nearly every doom port that exists. If you'd like, I could instead just watch from the sidelines. Just thought this might be a good exercise for me to make a public map after the little absence I've had.

[wildweasel]

See, that's why I want to join SOMETHING. My crappy reputation came from my horrible and immature attempts of mapping on an android device. I want to come back to show that I am no longer the crappy immature 12 year old that I once was, making shit posts and overall being a nuisance to everybody. I have access to an actual laptop now, GZDoom Builder set up, and nearly every doom port that exists. If you'd like, I could instead just watch from the sidelines. Just thought this might be a good exercise for me to make a public map after the little absence I've had.

If you'd like my advice: pace yourself. Don't rush into getting into community projects so fast; do a single level WAD or two and see what feedback you get from those.

[Athel]

Yeah, good advice. I think I'll take it.

[joe-ilya]

Don't rush your single level WADs either.