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Tormentor667 wrote:By the way, the inly gripe I actually have with the map is the usage of SHAWN/SILVER-alike textures here and there (e.g. at the beginning the water tanks). The whole map has this rusty and dirty design, so the clean shawn textures feel like a foreign matter.

Fair comment, and thanks for the feedback but I'm happy with how the SHAWN-like textures were used.

The initial tank area was done like that because it's similar to how it was in the original Legacy map and I wanted to echo that. Other than that, I tried to use clean/shiny only in areas where it made sense to me - e.g. pistons on machines that were moving and keeping themselves clean, antennae or piping conduits that might be made of stainless steel etc. I did grungy it up a bit with a little noise though.

Also, I was actually worried that the map was so grungy, rusty and metal that it was becoming dull and featureless (hence the "Too Much Metal...like waaay too much" comment).

First post updated: the secrets spoiler now has a video with how to find all the secrets shown. I advise not looking at it until you have played (if you're going to) because it gives a lot away.

Tormentor667 wrote:By the way, the inly gripe I actually have with the map is the usage of SHAWN/SILVER-alike textures here and there (e.g. at the beginning the water tanks). The whole map has this rusty and dirty design, so the clean shawn textures feel like a foreign matter. Maybe you would like to replace them with something else that fits better to the rest of the look?

OK, I've been thinking about this and have gone back into the map for a look. You may be right. I still think I need some cleaner/more silvery textures in there to prevent the whole thing just becoming a complete rust-fest so please feel free to try the following file:

[edit] File removed - now encorporated in the main download. [/edit]

I just dirtied up the SHAWN and SHAWN-like textures a little bit and stuck them into a PK3. Load them after the main mod and tell me what you think. I'm honestly not sure either way so feedback would help. If this is considered to be better, I'll update the main package.

My only gripe with the aesthetics is that it is a rust fest even with the shawn that you've used. I say use more of it in more places. The stuff in that pk3 you just posted is pretty good I think.

Thanks for the feedback. When it was just a small vanilla-ish map, playing it was over and done with quickly enough that the all-rust look of the interior didn't matter (in fact, it was fine and exactly the experience I wanted to create). As the map got bigger, I did become aware that it was becoming one huge block of rusty metal. However, I decided not to break it up further than I did. Indeed, I really wanted the lower sections in particular to feel like a big rusty industrial container of a building set deep into the ground but I can easily see how it might be considered too much metal/rust. On balance, though, that is still the look I was going for and it's why the stone/concrete/whatever that stuff that the exterior walls are made of is also a very similar colour to the metal textures.

I don't plan on going back and doing much reworking of the map unless someone finds something seriously wrong with it (which I hope won't be the case because I did test it pretty thoroughly myself) but a quick drop-in fix like the modified textures (or similar) is OK.

Enjay, 2nd and 7th secrets were the ones that I missed and now I understand the way to reach the 3rd one...
To me, the most clever secret is the 16th one and the 12th one is simply brilliant.

zrrion the insect wrote:The stuff in that pk3 you just posted is pretty good I think.

I agree with that, I like the changes to the textures you've made here

You should include credits for the music. I recognize the title theme from TES: Arena and one of the tracks from Descent.

You're absolutely right.

I actually just got those music lumps from a huge directory of midi files on my HD and I didn't know where they came from originally. Thanks for identifying them.

There's also an edited version of a track from Heretic in there and an alternative version of D_EVIL for the cast call. That's definitely from Wolfenstein but I'm not sure which one - I don't *think* the PC one. [edit] I think it's the Jaguar version. [/edit]

First post updated.

PK3 has also been updated with a slightly altered map, additional credits and the altered Shawn-like textures. Not really worth a second download unless anyone is really desperate to get the changes in their copy.

Did something: http://www.realm667.com/index.php/en/

Looking forward to tearing this set up! I enjoy your maps, Enjay - you bring the 3D FPS feel from the early 2000's to Doom with a beautiful aesthetic!!

Thank you very much, especially for that article on Realm 667.

I enjoyed the map.
I liked the aesthetics, level design and the custom monsters especially the

Spoiler:

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water demon . Those red eyes on the floor when I first met him

Oooh! Does this have big underwater areas? Nobody else seems to do those...

It's really only got one small secret underwater bit. All the rest of the water is knee deep at most. Sorry.