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Re: Doom 2 The Way id Did: Released!

PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:29 am
by HavoX
Xaser wrote:
Untitled wrote:"TNT Evilution the way TeamTNT did"

I do quite wonder if a certain team of folks will ever attempt to do this. :P

That, and I'm hoping someone does a "Heretic the way Raven Software did" one day. Same thing goes for "Chex Quest the way Digital Café did." :)

Re: Doom 2 The Way id Did: Released!

PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:42 am
by Captain J
and "Strife: the way Rogue Entertainment Did", i hope. ;)

Re: Doom 2 The Way id Did: Released!

PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:02 pm
by wildweasel
Any Strife mapset would be welcomed at this point. =P

Re: Doom 2 The Way id Did: Released!

PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:11 pm
by Captain J
i know, it has nothing but rare ones. and that's how i'm hoping for somebody could make that map packs that's what i was hoping for...tell me, it's hopeless. right?

Re: Doom 2 The Way id Did: Released!

PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 2:30 pm
by Csonicgo
Hornetzero wrote:O That and I didn't exactly write "it sucks" or provide no substance. Also, now that you mention it, you leaving here for another 2 months would be actually a good thing.


Your "substance" was that you played it with a Weapons mod that wasn't made for the megawad you played. Ergo, You are ignorant for thinking the megawad should work for your particular loaded mods.

If you can't play Doom as Doom was intended, then I can't really see you as a Doomer. 98% of us started with no mods and had a blast with it. Why can't you do that, and respect the mappers' intentions? Why must you change the intended presentation, and then think you have the right to complain?

Yes, there's a reason I only go on here sparingly, to keep my sanity from posts and responses like these.

This is why people are calling you a jerk.

Now if you can play the mod without weapons mods, lens-flares and plastic wrap, I might forgive you!

Re: Doom 2 The Way id Did: Released!

PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 2:43 pm
by Bitterman
What I'd like to see is Strife: the Way iD Would. This would give us Strife with more fun gameplay.

Re: Doom 2 The Way id Did: Released!

PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 4:23 pm
by TheMightyHeracross
It wouldn't be Strife, then, would it? Strife isn't a full-out run-and-gun shooter like Doom.
And I Strife's gameplay is very fun, what makes it boring? The only time I remember being bored was the Sewers, but that was from being lost, and I know my way now.

Re: Doom 2 The Way id Did: Released!

PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 4:50 pm
by Slax
Strife: the Way the Community Wants It

Re: Doom 2 The Way id Did: Released!

PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 4:50 pm
by Enjay
TheMightyHeracross wrote:what makes it boring?

Lack of a shotgun. :P Seriously, the entire time I was playing Strife, I was just itching to get my hands on a shotgun.

I do like Strife though. I like it a lot. However, for add on levels I'd be happy to have some "run and gun" short maps for "coffee break playing". A lot of the Strife enemies are fun to fight even without a bigger story going on and sufficiently different to the usual Doom/Heretic/Hexen to make Strife maps fun in their own right even if the theme is basically just combat. I think that there would be a place for those kind of maps as well as slower, more story driven maps.

Of course, there would have to actually be some add on maps. I know that there have been a few (and I have enjoyed them) but there have been so few that getting fussy about which type of maps should be made is not really a worthwhile concern. There are no slow story driven maps being made and not quick run and gun ones either.

I've always meant to make at least one Strife map but I have never gotten around to it. Maybe one day.

Re: Doom 2 The Way id Did: Released!

PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:15 pm
by Hornetzero
Your "substance" was that you played it with a Weapons mod that wasn't made for the megawad you played. Ergo, You are ignorant for thinking the megawad should work for your particular loaded mods.


Funny you should say that. I just finished this megawad with said Weapons mod (not that it was really a weapons mod. More like a total new conversion of the base). Did you miss the part where I mentioned that the problem was finding keys and the poorly placed death traps. I mean, who puts a difficult ambush behind a teleporter or below an elevator?

If you can't play Doom as Doom was intended, then I can't really see you as a Doomer. 98% of us started with no mods and had a blast with it. Why can't you do that, and respect the mappers' intentions? Why must you change the intended presentation, and then think you have the right to complain?


I can tell you that playing this with Brutal Doom had no significant change whatsoever, besides making it more fun. Playing it with a mouse aim and having mechanics like crouching and jumping makes those kinds of changes, but since this was intended for Gzdoom, I fail to see how that deviates from the creator's intended presentation. BTW, I have played the original doom 2 with no mods and completed it (I was like 8 years old). It was fun back than, but now its just stale, dry and tired looking. You are ignorant if you think those ancient standards work for everyone today.

Yes, there's a reason I only go on here sparingly, to keep my sanity from posts and responses like these.

This is why people are calling you a jerk.

Now if you can play the mod without weapons mods, lens-flares and plastic wrap, I might forgive you!


Did you notice that this thing is a mod made by fans as well? It wasn't made by ID nor published by it. More so, it was released very recently, so shouldn't it follow the highest standards of gameplay for Doom's current face?

Your logic makes as much sense as someone suggesting that you date a 90 year old beauty role model now, because she was hot in her prime years.... in the past.

Re: Doom 2 The Way id Did: Released!

PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:25 pm
by wildweasel
Hornetzero wrote:I mean, who puts a difficult ambush behind a teleporter or below an elevator?

The issue here is that Brutal Doom alters the behavior of monsters in such a way that said ambushes may be much harder than they are in standard Doom.

I'm not going to stop you from discussing this, but I really would appreciate if the name-calling and other such ad hominems could stop. (Especially the "asshole" stuff.)

Re: Doom 2 The Way id Did: Released!

PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:43 pm
by Cryomundus
I'll be honest, I cannot see how this got a Caco-ward.

For starters, the wad has 1994 mapping. This is 2013. Why in the world are we celebrating old methods of mapping? Have the standards for mapping not been raised? This wad, barring the secret levels, had no inspiring or interesting maps. The only truly memorable one was the "crushed spirits" map, and that was only for the incredibly annoying traps. Additionally, the wad was easy, even on UV and with Brutal Doom SE. You'd think that'd up the difficulty, but it really felt more like "Map 1 with harder monsters" the further I went into the map. Also, with how the map is set up, 75% of the monsters would be dead before I would even be able to actually explore. Heck, I could end most levels with almost max ammo and a megasphere! I swear the monster counts never rose to the 200s either, even in the very late maps.

To be honest, the only part worth mentioning is the wonderful Map 31, the Keen map. Map32 is kinda garbage though, 1 monster that dies fairly fast to a few BFG blasts, and is the silliest looking thing ever.

If anything I'd rate it a 6/10, and that's only for memories of my old days of DOOM, way back when I was still a freshman in high school.

Re: Doom 2 The Way id Did: Released!

PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:32 pm
by Hellser
Cryomundus wrote:I'll be honest, I cannot see how this got a Caco-ward.
....
Additionally, the wad was easy, even on UV and with Brutal Doom SE.


I'm here by authorized by the Union Aerospace Corporation to escalate this post to "This is not the right forum" and "Your post is invilid*".

Have a nice day. :mrgreen:

Also, you're seriously complaining that this mappack is too easy? Doom II is 'too easy'. If you want to get your ass handed to you, go play Plutonia 2 or a Plutonia-inspired map pack. Yeesh. :roll:

* = Invalid is purposely spelt that way.

Re: Doom 2 The Way id Did: Released!

PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:49 pm
by ClonedPickle
Hornetzero wrote:I can tell you that playing this with Brutal Doom had no significant change whatsoever, besides making it more fun. Playing it with a mouse aim and having mechanics like crouching and jumping makes those kinds of changes, but since this was intended for Gzdoom, I fail to see how that deviates from the creator's intended presentation.


I didn't realize how utterly wrong someone could be until today.

Re: Doom 2 The Way id Did: Released!

PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 9:07 pm
by esselfortium
Cryomundus wrote:Heck, I could end most levels with almost max ammo and a megasphere! I swear the monster counts never rose to the 200s either, even in the very late maps.

So... it's Doom 2, then?