[WIP] S.U.P.E.R Natural: Demo Updated

New maps, and other projects whose primary focus is new maps, belong here.

NOTE: This forum, and all forums below it, are NOT for questions or troubleshooting! Threads here are for active projects only! Please use the Editing subforums or General for questions.
Forum rules
The Projects forums are ONLY for YOUR PROJECTS! If you are asking questions about a project, either find that project's thread, or start a thread in the General section instead.

Got a cool project idea but nothing else? Put it in the project ideas thread instead!

Projects for any Doom-based engine (especially 3DGE) are perfectly acceptable here too.

Please read the full rules for more details.

Re: [WIP] S.U.P.E.R Natural: Demo Released

Postby Major Cooke » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:26 am

Small bug: Opening the journal shuts off all music. I can understand that if that's a means to use as a killswitch so you can listen in to other things, but it also ruined the power generator's boss fight "groove".
Last edited by Major Cooke on Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
Major Cooke
Do unto others as you would have unto you. Judge yourself first.
 
Joined: 28 Jan 2007

Re: [WIP] S.U.P.E.R Natural: Demo Released

Postby Pyroscourge » Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:18 pm

Major Cooke wrote:Small bug: Opening the journal shuts off all music. I can understand that if that's a means to use as a killswitch so you can listen in to other things, but it also ruined the power generator's boss fight.


Somehow I doubt it ruined it, considering that the the boss fight music is actually a sound effect and not level music.
Pyroscourge
Remember me when you're gone.
 
Joined: 30 Sep 2010
Location: Australia

Re: [WIP] S.U.P.E.R Natural: Demo Released

Postby Major Cooke » Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:47 pm

Meant to say "groove", the groove was kinda downcast. Either that, or I just happened to press it right as the sound was done playing. I dont know what to make of it then, it clearly shut off when I tried it.

Spoiler: "Recommended Changes"
User avatar
Major Cooke
Do unto others as you would have unto you. Judge yourself first.
 
Joined: 28 Jan 2007

Re: [WIP] S.U.P.E.R Natural: Demo Released

Postby Pyroscourge » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:31 pm

I didn't mean ruined as in the entire boss fight. The point is that the music does not turn off when you open the journal, period. The audio logs are the only things in the game that are actually handled as level music, while all others are sound effects. So, assuming you can reproduce it, the fact that your music turned off is a bug.

Spoiler:
Pyroscourge
Remember me when you're gone.
 
Joined: 30 Sep 2010
Location: Australia

Re: [WIP] S.U.P.E.R Natural: Demo Released

Postby Major Cooke » Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:27 am

Spoiler:
User avatar
Major Cooke
Do unto others as you would have unto you. Judge yourself first.
 
Joined: 28 Jan 2007

Re: [WIP] S.U.P.E.R Natural: Demo Released

Postby Major Cooke » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:00 am

In the current stage of the mod, is there pretty much no chance of getting out of the sewers? It looks like even when visiting the seven special spots before getting there, there's nothing in them -- no PDAs to collect or such.
User avatar
Major Cooke
Do unto others as you would have unto you. Judge yourself first.
 
Joined: 28 Jan 2007

Re: [WIP] S.U.P.E.R Natural: Demo Released

Postby Pyroscourge » Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:32 am

Major Cooke wrote:In the current stage of the mod, is there pretty much no chance of getting out of the sewers? It looks like even when visiting the seven special spots before getting there, there's nothing in them -- no PDAs to collect or such.


Pyroscourge wrote:
Spoiler:


I mean come on, you're even looking at the code, you should be able to figure this out. :P
Pyroscourge
Remember me when you're gone.
 
Joined: 30 Sep 2010
Location: Australia

Re: [WIP] S.U.P.E.R Natural: Demo Released

Postby FishyClockwork » Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:44 am

This is one of the few mods that managed to get my interest and the experience was as good as I hoped it would be.

The atmosphere is fantastic, the story is good enough, and I like the whole open-world-exploration thing. That said, the lake really wrecked my brain as I was trying to memorize the whole place and try not to get lost. I'm glad to see you're bringing the automap back so hopefully navigation won't be such a pain in the ass. The sewers were a complete nightmare in terms of navigation.

Also there's something curious about one of the creatures:
Spoiler:


And now the criticism.
My system isn't exactly the slowest, but there are times where the framerate just becomes unbearable.

I see Major Cooke is trying to help you optimize the scripts so I won't bother with that.

I hope you don't mind If I make a small suggestion of my own.

If an actor spawns something every few ticks (such as torches, smoke spawners, particle spawners, etc, etc), pretty please make use of A_CheckSightOrRange. Especially if there are several such actors on a map. The difference is small, yes, but it just makes it bearable for me.

You see, the first time I entered the Lake I gave up because the framerate was so horrible. So I took a look at the decorate and made a small patch of sorts which simply makes several "Special Effects" actors use A_CheckSightOrRange. (Some of these I'm not too sure with, since they don't spawn anything but otherwise bothered me with their use of A_Look and A_Chase. So you may ignore those.)

In case you want to see what I've done, here:
[EDIT]Attachment removed[/EDIT]
(It's a bit sloppy, I admit.)
I've probably missed a few actors; I didn't want to dig too deep, didn't want to spoil myself too much.

Sadly, this does nothing to improve the framerate of the...
Spoiler:

...which is horrible.
I pretty much had to cheat my way past that one (god mode).

I know this mod isn't for slow machines but I believe it can be optimized without sacrificing the detail and it would be such a shame if people couldn't play it because of poor framerate. Also, I'm not rich enough to buy better hardware. Don't exactly live in a wealthy first-world country either.

At any case I'm excited for the full version, whenever that's finished. :D
Last edited by FishyClockwork on Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:39 am, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
FishyClockwork
 
Joined: 23 Feb 2011

Re: [WIP] S.U.P.E.R Natural: Demo Released

Postby Major Cooke » Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:10 am

And indeed I have. HE is the only one... yet he must be saught out in all locations. I see...
User avatar
Major Cooke
Do unto others as you would have unto you. Judge yourself first.
 
Joined: 28 Jan 2007

Re: [WIP] S.U.P.E.R Natural: Demo Released

Postby Major Cooke » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:07 pm

One other thing, the radio at the end of the demo says something obscure... "I'll go to He-*laughter*"

Also, how did you achieve the ghostly effect where the voice growing to them speaking?

What made you close up the Hell room in the sewer? or the flesh room, or whatever you want to call it. From the looks of the place it's like the source of demonic activity... if not, Smile's core.
User avatar
Major Cooke
Do unto others as you would have unto you. Judge yourself first.
 
Joined: 28 Jan 2007

Re: [WIP] S.U.P.E.R Natural: Demo Released

Postby Jblade » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:13 pm

Also, how did you achieve the ghostly effect where the voice growing to them speaking?

Not sure if you mean what I think you mean, but if you mean where the voice starts to fade in as if you're hearing it before it's being said?
Spoiler:


Also I'd spoiler some of that sewer stuff. I'd say it's probably intended for the final release?
User avatar
Jblade
 
Joined: 25 Jun 2010
Location: England

Re: [WIP] S.U.P.E.R Natural: Demo Released

Postby Major Cooke » Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:53 pm

Not really, there's screenshots of it on the front page. That's not new.

...Oh for the love of god, Lake Script, stop teleporting me randomly throughout the map whenever I'm just about to touch the exit, damn you! That's the third time in one playthrough I've had it happened, and the third time I wound up walking into an ambush, and becoming the newest fashion for tentacle clothing apparel! Ewww... (the first I was lucky enough to be able to run across a blood lake but I stood on it for a tiny bit too long -- DED)
User avatar
Major Cooke
Do unto others as you would have unto you. Judge yourself first.
 
Joined: 28 Jan 2007

Re: [WIP] S.U.P.E.R Natural: Demo Released

Postby Scuba Steve » Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:51 pm

This project is incredible. I can say that my sister and I once brainstormed what Action Doom 3 would be like; we wanted to make a Lucasarts styled adventure/horror game in Doom. This mod is almost perfectly encapsulates what I wanted to see.

I love the trek back with the gas and change of environment... tension was great the whole walk back. Still need to finish it but loving what I see so far, can't wait to play the complete project.
Scuba Steve
 
Joined: 27 Mar 2004

Re: [WIP] S.U.P.E.R Natural: Demo Released

Postby Pyroscourge » Wed Aug 20, 2014 11:22 pm

Scuba Steve wrote:This project is incredible. I can say that my sister and I once brainstormed what Action Doom 3 would be like; we wanted to make a Lucasarts styled adventure/horror game in Doom. This mod is almost perfectly encapsulates what I wanted to see.


Thank you for the kind words. I hope you enjoy the rest of the mod, and that your experience isn't soured by the lack of a map.

Speaking of the map, I've nearly fixed up the implementation of the world map, and after that I'll make an update which I'll go release at Doomworld as well to see if I can get more feedback. To everyone who provided ideas and played through the demo to the very end, thank you. I'll make a more detailed post about the things I intend to do next when I update.
Pyroscourge
Remember me when you're gone.
 
Joined: 30 Sep 2010
Location: Australia

Re: [WIP] S.U.P.E.R Natural: Demo Released

Postby FishyClockwork » Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:03 pm

I could be wrong here but I think I found a small mapping error.
Specifically, map 2MLITARY, linedef 72312.

[EDIT]Image removed.[/EDIT]

The green light texture is already there but it's not aligned properly.
Last edited by FishyClockwork on Mon Sep 01, 2014 3:42 am, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
FishyClockwork
 
Joined: 23 Feb 2011

PreviousNext

Return to Levels

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Discord [Bot], nazakomu, Yandex [Bot] and 4 guests