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Re: [Release] The Refinery

PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 6:02 pm
by Enjay
I have to say my experience was pretty much the polar opposite of yours. I played in OpenGL and has no performance issues (given that the map is intended for OpenGL, and very much set up for it, I wouldn't even want to play it in software - I think I'd rather pass than play). I quite liked the slow start weapons-wise and felt that the shotgun arrived just when I felt it was time to get one. Yes, some of the new enemies, particularly the ones that you identified, are tough and dish out loads of damage if you get caught out by them but I actually like that kind of "realistic"* enemy and didn't find them too difficult to deal with.


*by "realistic" I mean something that has believable-ish human hitpoints and does an equally reasonably believable amount of damage with a weapon that, in reality, could kill you with one shot.

Re: [Release] The Refinery

PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 3:00 am
by Tormentor667
ChronoSeth wrote:So... is this E1M3 (Toxin Refinery), or E2M3 (Refinery)?

Ugh... :blergh: damn evil typo at the text above, it's E2M3 actually!

Nightfall wrote:the ASG and repeater zombies are god damn overpowered as hell

Supposed to, the idea here is to be careful, reduce your pace and don't run through the level as hell.

I had to fight the wraiths with the pistol only

...which isn't a big deal considering their low health

PalPlus makes everything brown and dull, using something like simplicity's palette added the colors back and made it look much better.

It enlarges the contrasts and reduces the saturation, that's true and this is what I aimed for. I know it's not everyone's taste, but it hasn't to be anyway :)

Also I noticed some texture edits of mine that you didn't credit for (dmetal*, the burn effect in sign99, might be others)

This was definitely not intentional, I will add you to the credits just now.

@Enjay - Glad that you liked it :)

Re: [Release] The Refinery

PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 5:39 am
by timmyr0x0r
Duude, the map is plain awesome. I can only hope that TSoZD approaches this level of quality, particulary with the blending of environements (base-cave-marble hell-flesh hell)
But a thing bugs me: how come you cannot have the special zombies weapons? I mean, they are the cool ones. And they are in R667 as weapons already. Dunno for the repeater, but at least give us the quad-shotgun :P.

Re: [Release] The Refinery

PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 6:14 am
by printz
What, was this paletted? I thought it's GZDoom. Anyway, good work for actually finding a place where Sigvatr's work fits :thumb:

Re: [Release] The Refinery

PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 8:23 am
by Tormentor667
timmyr0x0r wrote:Dunno for the repeater, but at least give us the quad-shotgun :P.

That would simply kill the balanced gameplay :)

Re: [Release] The Refinery

PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:53 am
by Blue Shadow
The map is dark and atmospheric and the visuals, in general, are top notch. However, there are a few things I'd like to mention:
  • I find it that there are too many new monsters just for one map. You face a new monster around every and so corner.
  • The monsters are tough, in general, which is fine, since you don't get mobbed up by them. But when it comes to zombies, they're just punishing. And the fact sometimes it's hard to make a zombie out of another (due to distance + darkness), makes it even more punishing. A case in point; the rocket launcher dude.
  • I find it silly that you must shut down the gas leak in order to get to the blue keycard. I mean, why am I blocked out by the gas? I doesn't make sense.
One last thing...
Spoiler:

Re: [Release] The Refinery

PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 12:35 pm
by scalliano
Other than spending a bit too much time using the pistol towards the beginning (even after I got the SG), this map is quality. I had no idea that one of my own monsters could be such a pain in the arse :P I particularly liked the "arrange mode" after you finish the map the first time - the gameplay on the second round is a bit more "me" :twisted:

If TSoZD is anywhere near this standard (which is already higher than KDiZD) we're in for a real treat. At no point did I find myself getting lost or wondering what switches did or anything like that. Good job!

Re: [Release] The Refinery

PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 1:58 pm
by esselfortium
Copy Information : You may use material from this project for your own
projects as long as you credit the respective creators

You may upload this file somewhere else as long as
this file stays included as it is

You are encouraged to base projects on this resources,
setting and scripts


Tormentor, I definitely did not agree to this when I reluctantly allowed you to use your traceovers and other near-identical replicas of unreleased TSoZD resources in this wad.

Re: [Release] The Refinery

PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 3:07 pm
by Ghastly
Finished the first run. Not bad at all. My one complaint is that some monsters don't really fit (Blot) or seem redundant (Why are there Nightshades there when Imps have the same difficulty and function?), and some aren't used as much as they should be. I love the Trites and especially that webbed-up tunnel, but there are only a few of them.

But otherwise, excellent! :D

Re: [Release] The Refinery

PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:41 am
by Tormentor667
esselfortium wrote:Tormentor, I definitely did not agree to this when I reluctantly allowed you to use your traceovers and other near-identical replicas of unreleased TSoZD resources in this wad.

Sorry, I thought you have already read the txt and were fine before I released it. I just updated the Copyright information and am uploading a new file with "MUST NOT" instead of "may", that should solve the issue.

Re: [Release] The Refinery

PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:18 am
by Sgt Dopey
I had a little playthrough it looks nice plays well and is difficult, Just how I like my wads

Also:
TSoZD better not have dynamic lighting

Re: [Release] The Refinery

PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:44 am
by Vader
Don't worry, TSoZD will be Zdoom compatible!

Re: [Release] The Refinery

PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:13 am
by BlueFireZ88
It's unfortunate. Even though my system can run Doom 3 on High smoothly I can't for the life of me get this mod to run smoothly, even in ZDoom. Even turning off all of the graphic effects and settings don't do squat. It's rather disappointing to have your whole experience with a new mod spoiled on a account of too much detail. Calling this similar to Gothic99 would be rather harsh, but there are similarities (and I don't mean this in a mean or trolling manner).

Try reducing the effects so that it runs even on weaker systems. As it is, your limiting your audience to only the people that have very high-end systems.

Re: [Release] The Refinery

PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:15 am
by Gez
Note to anybody playing this in ZDoom or otherwise software mode: there is a very important broken bridge ramp that is built out of sloped 3D floors.

Re: [Release] The Refinery

PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:16 am
by BlueFireZ88
Aren't sloped and 3d floors supported in 2.6.1?