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Postby Enjay » Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:02 pm

Hmmm, OK, maybe the texture themes aren't so much clashing as the textures themselves being very garish and '94 in their implementation. Just take a look at the first room. That ceiling of FLOOR1_7 is an instant assault on the eyes and a very '94 look. Also, quite a few of the lights on that texture are cut off by things like walls. Straight ahead there is a computer tower thingy with panels cut off half way because of the corners. The steps use the same lower texture as the walls and would be much better (IMO) as something that looked a bit more step-like. In addition, the walls being STARTAN3 (which is a bit of a damaged/distressed looking texture) is actually in contrast with the very red, very clean ceiling. Texture alignment in this room (and beyond) generally could be a lot better. Door alcoves particularly seem to catch you out with many of them needing Y alignment. Also, to align textures above and below a window, give them the same Y offset value as nearby walls but set the upper and lower unpegged flags and they will line up properly in the Y direction.

Another area that hurt my eyes was the bit with GRAY7 walls and a great expanse of FLAT20 on the floor. I've always found large areas of that FLAT to look a bit much. What's more, this room is very bright but it has no strong light sources (CEIL4_3 doesn't count). Some subtlety to the lighting, and some reason for there to be light would help. In fact generally you've done quite a bit of illogical lighting, especially related to flashing lights. You have used (abused?) flashing lights specials all over the place. Often these are in places where there aren't any light sources - so what precisely is supposed to be flashing on and off?

I'll also send you a PM with some stuff you may find useful.
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Postby Unknown_Assassin » Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:16 pm

Let's see. There are some misaligned textures that I see. It appeared that some strife monsters didn't fit well with some textures. Also, the acolyte problem has been listed, so I will just forget about that.

I believe that there was no point in putting strife monsters with doom monsters together because they seem to be doing the same thing or somewhat similar. All of the imps sounds are rather annoying. I prefer the old Doom sounds.

For the weapons, it felt a little uncomfortable with the chaingun at slot 5. If you plan to not have a rocket replacement, I think your levels will seem pretty difficult without them, considering that monsters are generally clustered together.

I had some fun with it though. I say all around average IMO.
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Postby Onslaught Six » Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:10 pm

Holy shit. Thanks a 'lot,' Enjay. Seriously. All this information (plus the demo and other WAD you PMed me) have totally changed my outlook towards building Doom levels.

Y'see, this is actually the first map I've done in like two years. And I just kinda went with what I remembered and picked up a few things here and there. There's a lot of stuff I just plain didn't know was the, uh, standard? Or even possible. I had no idea about the Upper and Lower Unpegged flags or anything like that. And the advice on textures matching up and stuff is good, too.

Thing is, after seeing what you've done with just that one room, I'm very surprised and stuff. I guess I really am in 1994 mode.

As for there being "no point" in adding the Strife monsters...Well, there really isn't, but (and again, this may be my ADD) I'm just very bored overall with just the plain Doom monsters. I didn't want to add too many more powerful monsters like Hell Knights and Cacodemons because...well, frankly, I just don't like fighting them on a regular basis. Might just be me.
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Postby Onslaught Six » Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:52 am

Added some new info about the "phases" of this. Basically, I'm abandoning my plans to avoid lots of modern-day features in favour of some detail and stuff.
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Postby Onslaught Six » Tue Jul 31, 2007 3:38 pm

New screenshots, yo.
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Postby Onslaught Six » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:30 pm

Rereleased the one-map demo. You guys seriously wanna check this out--it's SO MUCH of an improvement. Whether you played the first demo or not, it's just a good map.
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Postby TheDarkArchon » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:47 pm

STILL doesn't run on anything past ZDoom 2.1.7. Don't use SKIP_SUPER, dammit.
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Postby Onslaught Six » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:53 pm

I wasn't aware I was using that. Whassat? >.> I just looked in my whole DECORATE and it's not in there.

And it doesn't run on anything beyond 2.1.7 because...I don't have the SVN build. >.>
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Postby TheDarkArchon » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:57 pm

Actor DeadRebelTrooper starting line 275.
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Postby Onslaught Six » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:59 pm

Oh, hey, you're right.

Why am I even inheriting him from the Rebel Trooper anyway? I don't give a damn about keeping with Doom's programming traditions. >.>

Sorry. The next one will have this fixed.
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Postby Onslaught Six » Fri Aug 03, 2007 5:37 pm

Map02 has entered Phase II. The requirements for this is just being finished as an actual level, start to finish. Phase II is all the detail and balancing and shit.
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Postby Desert_Fox » Sat Aug 04, 2007 11:04 am

Heh, that was a very good level.

I like how it all seems to be big but one door leads you to the beginning. But one of the bad things was it took me a while to realise I had already opened the exit door because there was no indication I had already done so.
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Postby Onslaught Six » Sat Aug 04, 2007 12:46 pm

Hm. Perhaps I should change that activation switch to a script that opens the door and prints a message akin to, I dunno, "Exit door opened?"

There's already a script on that exit door that says it's opened another way, so.

I wish there was more feedback, I dunno if it's really good or not or if I should keep working on it before doing the others. Or if anybody else is actually playing it.
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Postby Desert_Fox » Sat Aug 04, 2007 3:10 pm

This is a very good project, I'll support you. Keep going, and don't worry you'll get pleny more feedback.
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Re: [WIP] New Project: Bloodshot [New! One-Map Demo Released]

Postby Onslaught Six » Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:12 pm

The good news (for those that liked this): It isn't dead!

The bad news: I have nothing to show!

I've been working on Map01 almost nonstop for like a week now. It's really good stuff. There's a ton of new rooms so far--though I may have ended up uninspired and without any originality towards the very last of them. Even so, it's really spiffy stuff, and playing through this one makes the old Map02-05 pale in comparison. They'll all need a ton more work to actually be up to the par I've now set for myself. (I also made a 'ton' of really, really bad-looking texture and design decisions.)

Tomorrow, I may have some new screenshots, or something.
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