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Postby Fredrik » Sun Aug 31, 2003 5:19 am

So your position basically boils down to the view that competition should not exist. Fine, then things are clear.
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Postby randomlag » Sun Aug 31, 2003 9:38 am

Fredrik wrote:So your position basically boils down to the view that competition should not exist. Fine, then things are clear.

You did it again Fred, put words in my mouth I NEVER said nor inferred. I've surmised that happens when the other person gets so pissed off they never actually try to understand what I write and just try for comebacks "points". The other choice is they are just too dumb 8-) Don't know which one, but it does fascinate me how this behavior is fairly common (esp a person accusing me of saying things I never said).

It's difficult to explain concepts in a brief format (and sometimes I screw up - which I can easily correct in person). In person, it's also easy to quickly find out if there is intent for a real discussion or not.

Btw, the religion thing by Cyb is perfect. God (no pun intended) the days I've spent arguing about that topic :P That's the only reason I know about the 5000 year belief thingy. Also fascinating. See I am still learning a lot.
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Postby Ultraviolet » Sun Aug 31, 2003 10:37 am

It's not a cute saying, it's "Brave New World." I was using it sarcastically because it isn't true...
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Postby randomlag » Sun Aug 31, 2003 1:11 pm

Well if you put something totally out of context, it takes a life of it's own in the context placed. So yeah, it's cute in THIS context. And it is true for some things - such as forum endless posts (hehe) and marriage. You'll find out :roll:
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Postby Ultraviolet » Sun Aug 31, 2003 4:18 pm

Read the book and the context doesn't matter.
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Postby randomlag » Sun Aug 31, 2003 8:01 pm

Ultraviolet wrote:Read the book and the context doesn't matter.
I read the book more years ago than you are old :? Have no idea what the context was in the book - don't care either. It's the present that counts here.

Word/sentence context is always everything (it's a common way for trollers to distort posts) - esp. so since I interpreted it in the context it was placed - this thread with endless sophistry.

IOW, how could you possibly know what I am thinking :?: This is another prime example of having made your mind up what it means (in the original context) and not seeing that in this context "ENDING" takes on a new meaning. Think about it some more purely in the context of this thread.
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Postby Ultraviolet » Sun Aug 31, 2003 9:26 pm

I still don't see the "cute."
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Postby wildweasel » Mon Sep 01, 2003 12:08 am

You know, people, there is a such thing as being too analytic...
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Postby Ultraviolet » Mon Sep 01, 2003 12:31 am

What exactly are you trying to say? Your phrasing seems to indicate criticism of our analyticality. However, I don't wish to make any assumptions... I'll analyze your phrasing until I fully understand the implications of that statement.

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And no, there's no such thing. Analysis is an exercise.
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Postby zarcyb » Mon Sep 01, 2003 6:05 am

On the subject of warez, I'm starting to feel just a little bit guilty for warezing things. I mean, if I ever start working in a software company, I'm going to feel a little cheated if people are using my software without paying money for it, as if all my hard work is going to waste.
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Postby wildweasel » Mon Sep 01, 2003 12:05 pm

I believe that a program should only be priced on its overall quality, meaning that Photoshop only deserves to cost about $70. Any software that's priced over $120 is not worth my time, in my opinion. Because NOTHING can be good enough to cost so much and be justified.
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Postby randomlag » Mon Sep 01, 2003 12:50 pm

Probably deserves a new topic? I feel guilty about keeping this thread going - ah what the heck :oops:

I have some help file authoring software that costs $500 or so (the less expensive version). It's worth every cent. The software is expensive because of a small market (mostly software developers/companies) and the complexity is high. Similarly VC/NET pro+ is way more than $120 (so get it on the student discount thingy).

MSWord is also worth it, although if it wasn't for me needing it for the help system, many people (that don't need to exchange files) would probably be served as well by Open Office (and some others).

All depends on what one's requirements are. There are very few blanket statements able to withstand close scrutiny for ALL instances. Professional use/cost becomes more obvious when it's required for you to make money :arrow:

(that is one problem with putting legal stuff into words - the words become blanket laws, unfortunately there are many ways to interpret words - which I hope is obvious in this thread :roll: )
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Postby wildweasel » Mon Sep 01, 2003 2:00 pm

randomlag wrote:I have some help file authoring software that costs $500 or so (the less expensive version). It's worth every cent.

Help file authoring software? What's wrong with writing an HTML document?

MSWord is also worth it, although if it wasn't for me needing it for the help system, many people (that don't need to exchange files) would probably be served as well by Open Office (and some others).

I use Openoffice all the time. Since it supports Word 2000 format, there's no reason for me to use anything else.

All my own example of thriftyness. If games and apps that are required for personal usage start costing over $120 I'll just start warezing anything...but that'll be a while, so I won't start yet.
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Postby Enjay » Mon Sep 01, 2003 2:12 pm

wildweasel wrote:If games and apps that are required for personal usage start costing over $120 I'll just start warezing anything...but that'll be a while, so I won't start yet.

I do find interesting the quite varied opinions that different crimes are likely to get from people. I'd be surprised to see someone post "if the cost of a TV goes up, I'll just start house breaking...but that'll be a while so I won't start yet" and mean it.

Not saying I've never committed a crime, just that I find the varied perception of crime severity interesting. For some reason, there does seem to be a real acceptance amongst a great many software users that all software is fair game. More so than many other commodities.
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Postby Ultraviolet » Mon Sep 01, 2003 4:03 pm

Nobody *needs* a television. However, if I couldn't afford footwear, I'd break into a military surplus store and steal a pair of combat boots, seing as it's necessary to have footwear to enter a convenience store to get cheap junk food to live off of (this is assuming I'm broke -- otherwise I'd be eating better).

In a similar context, certain file-authoring software is necessary to generate revenue... graphics programs, office software, and compilers would be understandably justifiable to steal if truly in need. No, I didn't say "right," I just said "justifiable." One does what one must. If one needs to make money and has the skills to do graphic design/programming/whatever it is we're talking about but doesn't have the money to get a foot in the door and make some money, then that person could never have paid for the software they had copied anyway. Once the person in question makes some money off of the software they can buy a legal copy and continue, but had they not copied the software illegally the software company never would get a chance to get that person's money either way.

wildweasel's mention of open-source office software does eliminate the necessity to steal, though.

So uh, whatever.
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