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Query: MD2 support?

PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 2:46 pm
by kevingpo
Does ZDoomGL support MD2 model pack? Like the one going around for DoomGL, Doom3D, etc.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 2:47 pm
by Kate
No, not currently, but they might implement it after they finish adding Dynamic Lighting...

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There is a version that does support models, but it's based on zdoom 1.22 so it wouldn't work with newer wads.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 6:14 pm
by wildweasel
Not to mention the old MD2 support wasn't all that great, the models weren't interpolated....and add to that, the MD2's themselves are of really poor quality. They don't even animate correctly (if I remember right).

PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 10:50 pm
by sirjuddington
Err, yes they were interpolated. The only port without this feature (that supports MD2s) is Vavoom...

PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 7:42 pm
by kevingpo
Yeah, I think the only sourceports that support MD2 models are:

- Doom3D
- DoomGL

PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2003 12:54 am
by HotWax
There are two versions of ZDoomGL, but they are done by different authors, one is no longer being updated, and they have nothing in common except the name, which I personally which was different. Oh well.

The old ZDoomGL was done by Kokak. The engine was unstable at best, bugs were rampant, and in my personal opinion, it was utterly, unforgivably, shitty. The fact that it *supported* MD2's in fact (as well as garish dynamic lying, horrendously ugly "lens flares" and other useless "features") in my mind only served to show that the author was more interested in getting the game "pretty" before making sure its engine was *stable*.

Then we have the other end of the spectrum. The NEW ZDoomGL, done by the competant and intelligent Timmie, is basically a complete reinvention of the port, starting with the ZDoom code and working from there. As such there are some features still unsupported. However, what IS in there runs faster than the old version, is stable, isn't painful to get working, and doesn't crash on you every 3 1/2 (give or take) minutes. This is otherwise known as "Good Programming".

So, if you can't live without your "demons" looking like folded lunch bags (I wish I was joking), grab the old version of ZDoomGL and I shall make fun of you. OR, just get the new version and enjoy what it has to offer until Timmie implements all the nifty bells and whistles you crave.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2003 4:32 am
by boris
kevingpo wrote:Yeah, I think the only sourceports that support MD2 models are:

- Doom3D
- DoomGL


Don't forget JDoom!

PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2003 4:40 am
by Hirogen2
And do not forget that JDoom supports its own DMD model format. THAT is what we need.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2003 4:56 am
by NiGHTMARE
HotWax wrote:There are two versions of ZDoomGL, but they are done by different authors, one is no longer being updated, and they have nothing in common except the name, which I personally which was different. Oh well.

Actually, the new ZDoomGL is based on the old one. It just has substantially rewritten code for certain features (and plentyof brand new features too, of course)

PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2003 10:36 am
by timmie
I'd say it's pretty close to being a complete rewrite now. I'm not sure if there's any old code left anymore.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2003 5:30 pm
by kevingpo
HotWax wrote:The old ZDoomGL was done by Kokak.


What is he doing now?

HotWax wrote:So, if you can't live without your "demons" looking like folded lunch bags


LOL

PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2003 5:35 pm
by bimshwel
I wouldn't mind how silly most of them looked if they were animated better. Interpolated or otherwise. It's like someone designed them to (somewhat) match their initial original Doom frame from one or more angles, and improvised from there without giving any thought to how ridiculous the smooth transitions would appear. They resemble spasms more than anything else. Default Doom frame-table assignments make monsters move too slowly for this to ever not look odd. All of that combined with the abrupt 45 degree turns, I'd say they look better without interpolation. Especially the idle frames. And I *still* prefer the sprites. Of course, I can understand someone just being assigned the task of making the box enemies along with a deadline, and quality suffering. I downloaded the modelly things around two years ago, perhaps they've been improved since then. But, ahhh... sprites are easier for me to edit.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2003 5:47 pm
by timmie
kevingpo wrote:
HotWax wrote:The old ZDoomGL was done by Kokak.


What is he doing now?


Last I heard he was working at UbiSoft... Not sure if he's still there or what, though.

PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 1:16 am
by Chilvence
The old models are in fact from SOG, a quake 2 mod.

http://www.planetquake.com/sog/

To my knowledge, no one has yet designed a set of models specificaly for use in doom ports, but if you hang around newdoom doomsday forums, you see Dani J666 taking on the task as a one man army. And it really should be quite good, when its done.