Hands of Necromancy [Full game released!]

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Re: Hands of Necromancy [Demo available!]

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Lagi wrote:guys cant await to mod your game :D

I will be quite eager to see that. :)

When the full version of the game is released we will be encouraging modding - even releasing mod tools directly via Steam (along with all relevant source codes and their original checkout URLs).

(And yes before anyone gets on my ass about it - we already made the engine repo public - I really do need to make that URL more visible, my apologies)
https://github.com/HandsOfNecromancy/Ha ... ncy-Engine
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Re: Hands of Necromancy [Demo available!]

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I've read the engine description on GitHub, but it doesn't really go into specifics. Out of interest, what would you say are the main key differences between GZDoom and the HoN engine?
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Re: Hands of Necromancy [Demo available!]

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Emmanuelexe wrote:"Berserker Head" who divide the damage /2

Aside from the healing potions, I've only encountered this head item so far and my first thought upon getting it was "What does this do? It has berserker in its name, so it must be a melee damage powerup (to temporarily go sword-slashing stuff)". I had no idea it's supposed to halve damage received. :lol:
Perhaps it would be nice to have a codex entry or a manual in the menu or as a hotkey, kinda like "O" opens the objectives (thanks for tracking objectives, btw) explaining what these items do instead of playing a guess game. Or at the very least, the cheapest solution I can think of is to have a brief description of the items above the status bar whenever you cycle through them in the inventory.
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Enjay wrote:I've read the engine description on GitHub, but it doesn't really go into specifics. Out of interest, what would you say are the main key differences between GZDoom and the HoN engine?


Nothing that would prevent the mod (in its current state) from running on GZDoom.

It is there as a compliance to the GPL license since that is the base that the engine is compiled from. It is a fair bit modified from GZDoom, however, it has some features that GZDoom does not, such as changed defaults, and a few things that have been [No]'d in the past (that the game does not use).

For the most part it is there because of branding, more than anything. The game has always been developed on mainline GZDoom, most of the time using whatever the latest version of GZDoom at the time was, I think. No one really used the internal engine build for anything except testing. So if you prefer to use GZDoom to run the game you are free to.
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Re: Hands of Necromancy [Demo available!]

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OK, cool, thanks. Well, it's certainly a nice little game so I'm looking forward to seeing how it progresses. Will it be available anywhere other than Steam?
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Yes - the plan is to distribute it via GOG and EGS and a few other indie outlets, if possible. Now that the demo is released we can probably actually look into those now.
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Very cool. I hope it all works out.

I didn't even realise that EGS published independent games.
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Re: Hands of Necromancy [Demo available!]

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There is an alternate (non-steam) link to download the demo?
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Re: Hands of Necromancy [Demo available!]

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Rachael's first post on page 3 has links to the demo.
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Just wanted to point out that the sign is there alright.
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I do think all signs should be brighter or something, so they stand out better instead of blending so well that they are hard to notice. For example, having the inscriptions be lit (making them look like magic letters).
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Re: Hands of Necromancy [Demo available!]

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That's a good idea for the sign, we will try to fix the most stuff we can :)
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Re: Hands of Necromancy [Demo available!]

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So, uh... I think I accidentally found an exploit that lets you skip the first key completely. In my defense, I didn't knew which one of all the keys in the objectives list was the first one.

[spoiler=Dumb meme warning][imgur]https://imgur.com/AAc634k[/imgur]
Sorry, lol[/spoiler]
For those who still haven't played this and don't want a mini-walktrough of where to go first, avoid the next spoiler:
[spoiler=Actual exploit]Being brief, I went to the Garden, the Farmhouse, the Factory, the Lost Valley and couldn't find any key (later on I realized which one I missed and where). I spotted the Snake power-up and the Golem too, so I assumed one of those was my actual first objective. The Snake in the Garden was unreachable so I returned to the Factory. Then, I found that it's possible to skip the Iron key door by dropping from the ledge that is directly above:

[imgur]https://imgur.com/RnlqbYp[/imgur]
The platform I'm standing on is the one with the Golem power-up, the one aimed by the crosshair is the platform you cross once you open the Iron key door, and the one in the middle of both is from where I dropped from to get to the one below.

[imgur]https://imgur.com/kXeLrWq[/imgur]
Here I'm standing in the middle of the previous screenshot. While there's falling damage, the fall doesn't kill you and using Berserker heads makes the fall easier to survive, so it's completely doable.

From there onwards, I did the rest of the level, spotted the Fire key, spotted the crack in the wall that leds you to said key and, when I got the Golem power-up, I re-checked my objectives list and realized I wasn't supposed to be doing that just yet. :oops:
So I went back to the Lost Valley and drop down the water. I did that already the first time I entered but I missed completely the room with the Iron key in the house there. I mean, I went upstairs but I didn't saw this little corner:

[imgur]https://imgur.com/KNp1fSs[/imgur]
That's on me, though. Perhaps if I've used the map or thought a little more "this house must have something important" before leaving, it wouldn't have happened.
So I got the key:
[imgur]https://imgur.com/mAPxjsv[/imgur]

But this made me think of a little suggestion: Perhaps the key could be more to the right instead of hiding in the corner, so it's possible to see the key (or something shiny, at least) through the window from outside. Roughly above of where the crosshair is pointing in the next screenshot:
[imgur]https://imgur.com/ChgCHly[/imgur]

I know it was full on me to miss this one but, more often than not, showing/telling to players "hey, there's something here" before reaching that place helps to give them a sense of progress.

Now that I've got the Iron key, I can resume the rest of the path in the Factory and get the Fire key without guilt. :lol:[/spoiler]
On a little side note, this one is not related to the exploit I mentioned but I noticed that, when transformed in Golem, cycling through your weapons (mouse wheel in my case) prints an unintended message:
[imgur]https://imgur.com/Z4M4D3p[/imgur]
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Re: Hands of Necromancy [Demo available!]

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Thanks for the report!
The Iron Key was supposed to be used in the switch who open the bars of the golem transformation platform but we thought it was a bit annoying to have to go back completly if you didnt have the key for the switch so we put it in a "possible door", i think we will just reput the door free to be opened and keep the switch for the Iron Key as it was planned basically
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Re: Hands of Necromancy [Demo available!]

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Enjay wrote:Rachael's first post on page 3 has links to the demo.

Thanks :D
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Re: Hands of Necromancy [Demo available!]

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Congratulations on the release!

So far, I am just disappointed that I cannot use mods with the demo due to its shareware nature; mainly, I wanted to see if NightFright's excellent Fullscreen Status Bar mod was compatible. Oh well!

Anyway, is there a way to disable the weapon name display every time it is selected? It is a neat future at first, but it might prove slightly annoying once I become familiar with the game.

Also, in the Player Setup menu, there is an incorrectly-titled option: "PLYRMNU_VERTSPREAD".

Finally, will there be a way to rebind the key for the Objectives journal?

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