ZDoom

Posted: **Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:22 pm**

Thanks for the feedback, we had plans of revising the maps again and make some changes once the remaining ones are complete, so it will be the perfect time to address the light issues and add more light contrast, out of the current maps played, was there a map in particularly that really needed contrast?

Posted: **Fri Aug 02, 2019 5:28 am**

I've completed the Alpha yesterday so I can now comment some things:

-The first time I only played up until the mid of the second map. I am sorry to say that it was very disappointing, bland and boring. I didn't like it or enjoyed any bit.

I quitted and forgot for awhile.

-Then I revisited this thread and I noticed the "sanitized" version. Why not to give a try? And man, that has been the best decision:

I played the Alpha twice. First with Brutal Doom and then with an Aliens mod. The experience has been simply amazing!! Now I know what was wrong before: the damn old and outdated Doom 3 weapons/enemies mod. It feels slow and boring, to the point that this obscured how beautiful and simply outstanding your maps are. They are pieces of art and among the very best maps I ever played on Doom. Congrats!!!! Darkmoon is the most memorable map-pack to date.

I'm simply in love with it

I can only suggest to scrap the whole Doom 3 thing away in favour of a sanitized product or with a better weapons/enemies mod. Best regards!

Posted: **Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:03 am**

I've only really skimmed checking for issues with the "sanitized" version I posted, but the lack of contrast seems to be fairly consistent across the board so far. If I had to pick, I'd say that the large warehouse areas in Map02 were exceptionally flat. I'll keep playing and let you know if I find any particular areas.

Note, I think this is mainly an issue with the indoors. The lighting feels really nice and natural for the outdoors and helps sell the whole "dark moon" bit, like you're under a diffuse ambient night sky. Indoors there should be deeper darks and brighter brights, because of the lack of diffuse fill lighting and presence of overbearing artificial light sources. You could meet in the middle for places with large windows, like the lobby lounge area in MAP01.

(on a separate note, I'll update the sanitized version at that link to replace trites with lost souls, hopefully they'll be small enough to not get stuck in the vents. you don't need to change any links)

Posted: **Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:12 pm**

I agree about the lack of contrast and that the bright areas would benefit from added brightness, yet not so sure if the dark areas should be even darker. Darkmoon is already quite a murky mapset, adding deeper darks might transform it into a pitch-black one.

Posted: **Sat Aug 03, 2019 10:26 am**

Utterly beautiful, I just love all of this. Doom 3 aesthetic + map exit replayability = a match made in...Hell, I guess. But a good kind.

I like the variety of the imps as well. The Z-Sec dudes were kinda rough but eh...

One question, though, as I never completed the mod.

Spoiler:
You know that room with all that toxic waste being leaked from pipes, with some containers pumping them up and down? I got stuck there. Did I simply end up in a spot where the map was going to continue in a later build?

Posted: **Sat Aug 03, 2019 11:42 pm**

Noted!, the warehouse map is getting a revision already, and the sector lights are something that is getting changed

Remaker wrote:You know that room with all that toxic waste being leaked from pipes, with some containers pumping them up and down? I got stuck there. Did I simply end up in a spot where the map was going to continue in a later build?

Uh oh, i think i know the spot you're refering to, it isn't supposed to end there, but rather be a big fight before the exit opens, i'll note that down and check what could had gone wrong. Thank you for letting us know of this issue

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:32 am**

Very promising and awesome TC you're working on there. That Sanitized version works with other TCs as well! Like... Shut up and Bleed! Really suits with the spooky and dark style. It was a blast. I honestly love the Doom 3 style with a bit of D64 Plus PSX Doom twist. And i see that you can choose the path to travel through! Each map is quite different and makes you think where you should go. Very impressive! Also the Textures and the Structure was fine and well detailed. Totally would look forward to it.

Spoiler: Oh, and mind if i share some feedback and suggestions as well?
- Speaking of separated exits, is it possible to merge them as some kind of HUB? This will make the player explore a lot of places as it should be!

- I can over-collect ammo like Bullets and Shells. Even though i activated the extra ammo space, but i still can collect them without the limit. The same thing goes for Weapon Pickups. But for some reason I can't pick up the Machine Gun.

- Certain weapons with own Magazine like Shotgun, Chaingun and Machine Gun does some weird things constantly when i hold down the Reload Key.

- The Fists won't play punching sound effects when hitting something like flesh or the wall.

- When i use the Hand Grenade, it rather spawns above my head, does not travel any further, and the angle is randomized. Pretty awkward to use, honestly.

- BFG 9000 is probably the finicky weapon to use. Granted, it's the same thing like Doom 3 one. But this one shows Overcharging sequence for a millisecond, without giving the player to react and then BAM. My arms are gone. Oh, also its beeping noise is way loud for some reason.

- Imps and Demons are able to attack without giving the player a fair warning, or chance to evade. A bit of delay would be appreciated!

- Zombieman with Machine Gun is still not distinctive enough to make the player realize that this baddie is more powerful than the lesser version. Recolor the armor, maybe?

- I still can hear some good ol' vanilla doom sound effectes besides Monsters'. Like Opening the door, Collecting certain Items, Operating the Switch etc. Hope i can hear more distinctive sound effects in the future!

- Super Shotgun's Firing Sound Effect get cut off by reloading sounds.

- I have to say, certain maps like Storage Zone are quite long, unnecessarily and has 400 of them! I get a lot of Pistol ammo and i can't use them properly because the zombiemen tend to drop a dozen of ammo plus Pistol.

- Some Secret Areas like that Shotgun one in Deimos Landing Station does not really count as Secret area. Intentional? Because they're kinda easy to find?

- Have you ever considered to add some ambient sound effects for this TC? That might make the TC even more addictive!

- As you can see, i can't see a thing and the switches without the proper lights. Like GL Lights and brightmaps. Hope you consider this!

- In Deimos Landing Station, I can't use this lift for some reason.

This guy was stuck and couldn't do anything at all.

- At Office Complex, you single-handedly can screw up this Elevator. Just push the switch multiple times.

And here's all i can spare for now. I still haven't check out the rest of the map because MAN, this TC is very bigger than i thought! Keep up the good update there!

Posted: **Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:02 pm**

Glad you liked the mod so far!

Thank you for the feedback, we had been aware of some of the issues you mentioned and they're gonna be fixed or changed, there's also some bugs we missed that you pointed out.

One small note about the BFG, so far it isn't available on the current maps, but it's still accessible with cheats, partially because of this, the bfg still uses an old behaviour that's really awkward to use. The BFG is gonna be redone from scratch for a hybrid between the classic BFG and the doom 3 BFG so that it becomes less finicky to use (and doesn't kill you when you use it at a close range, it except for maybe when you overcharge it hehe).

Posted: **Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:27 pm**

And glad you found my feedback and suggestion helpful. I'm still playing this TC because again, this thing has a lot of place to explore. And made the extra feedback on the way!

Spoiler: Care to join me?
- I think the Pistol has a bit of delay before firing it. I guess that's why it's pretty slow for the most part.

- Chaingun's Drawing sound effect sounds a lot longer than i thought - it simply overlaps reloading sound.

- Also do you know that i still can pick up the Visor and the battery although it's all maxed out?

- At Deimos Landing Station, the Glass part of this Elevator very transparent and not elaborating enough that you should enter it in the other direction.

- Some Elevators goes down in few seconds after you press the Switch. I don't mind at all because i can go down quickly, but i bet the employees of UAC had hard times trying to ride this Elevator without hurting their legs!

- This Particular Health Station can be used although i'm at full health.

- Pinkies with Metal legs are the worst. Runs faster when injured, sure. But biting me with speed of light and guaranteed to be get hit? No Thanks. Would be appreciated if i can get a chance to dodge and whatnot.

- At Office Complex, i found these mismatching Console Textures on Both sides in this Section.

- Overall Stronger Variants like the Arachnotron and this Cacodemon looks still similar as vanilla counterpart. I hardly realized that which one was the weakest. Can you make it drastically different? Like adding more details to it?

- At Power Plant, this elevator also breaks easily by just pressing the button several times.

- These Dark Imps are the powerful variants. Sure. But my goodness, they do a lot of Damage... And just you know, i'm plying this game on Veteran, the Normal Difficulty.(If i'm not mistaking) In my opinion, it's likely expected to be seen from harder Difficulty. But here we are.

- "You Picked up a Health Stimulant!." Message has a dot at the end.

- Chaingun Ammo Box and Rocket Ammo's Message lacks one dot at the end.

- Not a big deal, but how come the Hand Grenade Pickup sprite is grey while the Projectile one is Multicolored?

- The enemies can attack me through this particular window. I totally freaked out at that moment.

- Don't know why, but when the Adrenaline powerup goes off while using the Machine Gun, it automatically switches off into Fists.

- When i press this Switch, it activates this Crusher. And yes, it can crush me and doesn't do anything helpful. Got any purpose of this Crusher?

- At Construction Zone, this imp gets stuck on the ledge sometimes and don't do anything at all. Yeah, i killed it, but you get the point.

- I didn't know it was a lift there. Some Elevators and Lifts lacks Switches.

- At Storage Complex, the Enemies won't die after falling into the Death Pits and attacks you even. And of course you can say goodbye to 100% kill ratio when this happens.

- So i found this Secret and... I can't use this door. That means i have to go all the way back. This is rather inconvenient, if you ask me.

- This fence looks kinda weird. Intentional or...?

- At Power Plant, this door requires Blue Key, but has no blue colors on it. You can see the detail on Automap, sure. But you don't have to look at the map manually if the door has certain color on it.

- I still can open this door even though i have no Blue Key. Intentional?

That's all for now. More feedback will come. You've made a lot of large and grand progress there! Keep it up.

EDIT:

Spoiler: Here are some last feedback;

- At Toxic Plant, i got stuck and couldn't get out. Although i killed all the enemies but this room never let me leave. Do i have to press Switch or something? Because i don't see any.

- Is there any way i can collect this Red Key Card? All the Doors leading to it were all closed, and i pressed every single switches available.

Posted: **Sat Aug 10, 2019 8:40 am**

Noted! Seems there's a lot of stuff to fix, so thank you for pointing out all that stuff we missed, some stuff like the elevators should be an easy fix, i hope you enjoyed had enjoyed the mod despite all that hehe

Posted: **Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:02 pm**

DMPhobos wrote:
Remaker wrote:You know that room with all that toxic waste being leaked from pipes, with some containers pumping them up and down? I got stuck there. Did I simply end up in a spot where the map was going to continue in a later build?
Uh oh, i think i know the spot you're refering to, it isn't supposed to end there, but rather be a big fight before the exit opens, i'll note that down and check what could had gone wrong. Thank you for letting us know of this issue

I too got stuck here, I think it has something to do with the door to that room opening too soon, because I hadn't even gotten the red key yet, but that's the room before the exit.

I must say, I like how this mod is moody without going "full retard" on the darkness. Some authors have to be playing with their gamma on the highest settings because a lot of these doom 3 inspired maps are too dark to see anything.

Posted: **Wed Apr 22, 2020 2:46 pm**

Just started playing this mod, and I've gotta say, this is excellent! I love how you can take alternate exits. However, I do have some criticisms.

The maps can be quite hard to navigate. There was one point where I had to noclip just to progress because I was trapped in the room before the exit in the Toxic Plant.

The grenades are kinda useless. They bounce too much and don't seem to do that much damage.

Some of the monsters are little too fast in my opinion.

By the way, would you be able to make it so that we can use the enemies and weapons in other maps?

Posted: **Mon Apr 04, 2022 8:38 pm**

Hello. I made a version of this that's sort of semi-sanitized. It can be played with other weapon mods with a patch or two I also made, since I don't really know mapping, and it still has all its unique monsters, just with their health values tuned down to vanilla levels and they drop vanilla ammo types. I also sped up the labcoat zombies just a little. Would it be alright if I shared them?

Posted: **Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:11 am**

Not sure if the author is still working on this, but I already made and linked a Sanitized version back on Pg1. If yours is different I think it'd probably be fine to share it.

Posted: **Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:27 pm**

Yours had the enemies replaced with normal Doom monsters, right? I kept all the mod-specific ones.

But alright, I'll take it down if I need to.
https://www.mediafire.com/file/hfeswcd6 ... M.zip/file

In the zip is the Maps & Monsters version of Darkmoon along with the needed patches. I think the generic one will let it work with most weapon mods, and I specifically made one to be played with the Ashes 2063/Afterglow weapon set. I think the two actually go pretty well together. I've only played through the first few maps, though, so there may be some floating exclamation points I missed somewhere. And I kinda ballparked the monster health so that they seemed fair.

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