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Re: Catacomb: ABYSS v1.0

PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 1:20 pm
by Pepois
Yes Kinsie, I am aware of that, thus the purpose of asking for help in order to achieve the goal which is to run an ancient version of GZDoom which is compatible with OpenGl 1.x. I've already asked Inferion_ if he could perhaps compile the wad in a 1.x version etc.

Warm regards

Re: Catacomb: ABYSS v1.0

PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 1:25 pm
by Rachael
This is becoming enough of a problem now that we're going to have to establish an actual rule about this.

Don't ask project creators to "downgrade" their mod to older versions of ZDoom/GZDoom just so you can run it on whatever potato ABI or hardware you might have!

Re: Catacomb: ABYSS v1.0

PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 1:35 pm
by Pepois
Hi Rachael,

I am sorry. It's just that I've been following Inferion's project for almost 2 years now, and was/am very excited about it. And since we have all these new technologies VR, 3D... and I already have most of the "classic games" running on both... but yes, you are right. I wont post any downgrade requests.

Warm regads!
Pepois

Re: Catacomb: ABYSS v1.0

PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 4:09 pm
by Tormentor667
Awesome!!!!

After doing some first tries with the mod, I have to admit you have done a great work. Catacomb Abyss was one of my first games I've played and it's so much fun playing it again in a modern engine :) Some suggestions though:
  • When starting, I get an error in the console: "Script Error, "GZDoom.pk3: Menudef.txt line 42, unknown texture M_DOOM" (played it with DOOM2.WAD, ABYSS.WAD is no iwad)
  • Noticed that the menu font is still the original doom font, I'd suggest using the same font as ingame
  • Position of status text and status bar area is not properly adjusted: https://imgur.com/a/FrMK4MI - is there a special resolution I have to play this?
  • The automap on the right is not working at all: https://imgur.com/a/FrMK4MI

Will post more when proceeding :)

Re: Catacomb: ABYSS v1.0

PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 9:18 am
by inferion_
Tormentor667 wrote:[*]Position of status text and status bar area is not properly adjusted: https://imgur.com/a/FrMK4MI - is there a special resolution I have to play this?
[*]The automap on the right is not working at all: https://imgur.com/a/FrMK4MI

This happened to me too when using newer versions of gzdoom. I tested with gzdoom g2.1.1, but i suppose you can try changing the aspect ratio.

Re: Catacomb: ABYSS v1.0

PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 10:15 am
by Kinsie
The HUD looks fine (automap excepted) in 16:9 mode.

Re: Catacomb: ABYSS v1.0

PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 2:37 pm
by Pepois
Hi everyone,

After spending some time with the Abyss file, I managed to fire it up with GZDoom version 1.3.13 which is/was the latest version compatible with OpenGL 1.0 thus it works with a opengl to directx9 wrapper thus it works with Tridef 3D thus you can play the game in stereo 3D, I think its worth it since The Catacombs Abyss was one of the 1st 3D games available (if not the first) hence its historic importance and one of the reasons why I believe Inferion_'s work is very emblematic. Thank you once again Inferion_!

Warm regards
Pepois

Here's a little snippet in case you want to see the game in all it's stereo 3D glory:

https://s8.postimg.cc/wpzjqlnat/image.png
https://s8.postimg.cc/nuypg3dxx/image.png

You can download the full 1920x1080 files here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/m99pvtthh4gdpgh/1.png?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/90pmcevxtczfw7r/2.png?dl=0

Re: Catacomb: ABYSS v1.0

PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 4:03 pm
by Nash
Doesn't GZDoom 3.5.1 already natively support that side-by-side stereoscopic rendering natively? Why do you insist on using an external DLL and an ancient version of GZDoom?

(unless you have a computer incapable of running the latest GZDoom, in which case disregard my question)

Re: Catacomb: ABYSS v1.0

PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 5:05 pm
by Pepois
Does it??? wow, maybe I missed that, actually I have a new Alienware Aurora R6 with Nvidia 1080Ti dedicated just for gaming = ) I know it works with VR, which works great, but I wasn't aware that it also did 3D stereo.

Will check!

Re: Catacomb: ABYSS v1.0

PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 6:04 pm
by Nash
Options -> Display Options -> OpenGL Renderer

The stereoscopic stuff is midway through the menu

Re: Catacomb: ABYSS v1.0

PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:05 am
by drfrag
Pepois wrote:which is/was the latest version compatible with OpenGL 1.0 thus it works with a opengl to directx9 wrapper

GZDoom never worked with OpenGL 1.0 only 1.1 and not on all cards. Which wrapper? Is it that shitty GLDirect thing? It certainly worked but very far from fine. Also there was an open source version with 1.1 support but the release free version supported up to 1.4.

Re: Catacomb: ABYSS v1.0

PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:01 am
by Valken
I am testing this with GZDoom 3.5.1 with no errors. I just dragged and dropped the wad onto GZdoom. I used wadsmooshed iwad.

Works fantastic and the one feature to get WASD strafing controls alone was worth it. I hated the old Wolf 3D engine controls with 2 key press to strafe.

Plus the CGA graphics and default 8-bit sounds. I totally love this conversion as is!

It was funny to see the messages - turning in mouse look mode or advancing when pressing the W key.

I think a future update would be remove those since its kind obvious for Doomers and maybe relocate some of the messages like CEMETARY, etc... to another spot instead of the middle of the screen. I know, its a port, but minor things like UI improvements may enhance it without destroying the game.

Just wanted to say thank yuo for this. Looking forward to more ports of the series if someone will work on it.

Re: Catacomb: ABYSS v1.0

PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:17 am
by Pepois
Thank you Nash, I did it see it once you pointed out, thank you!
Drfrag, yes, I was referring to the maybe the same one, it was released by a person named Peter and for me it worked great, specially with games that didn't support directx9 and supported opengl like half-life (before you had half-life steam edition).

After testing and comparing snapshots between using the native GzDoom stereo 3D and Tridef's, I found that the "sbs narrow" option is the best or the one that resembles Tridef's. Perhaps having an option with a couple of sliders with 3D strength and 3D distance would be great for a future feature.

Ill see if I can add it in the corresponding section... that is if there is a features request one.

Anyway, thank you everyone for bumping in and helping me!

Pepois

EDITED: Just posted the request in the requests section. :o

Re: Catacomb: ABYSS v1.0

PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 11:52 am
by NightFright
So is this officially working now with GZD 3.5.1 or not? I am really interested in trying this, but I don't want to use a deprecated GZD build just for this.

Re: Catacomb: ABYSS v1.0

PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:28 pm
by wildweasel
NightFright wrote:So is this officially working now with GZD 3.5.1 or not? I am really interested in trying this, but I don't want to use a deprecated GZD build just for this.

As far as I've gleaned from the rest of the thread, it's perfectly fine, but it shouldn't hurt to just try it and see what happens.