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Re: [WIP] MCDoom - Minecraft in ZDoom!

PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:36 am
by icelink256
Damn! This is some impressive code! O_O

...Please tell me you're planning to work on a proper Minecraft Mod, of some sort. Even if it's simpler, and more restricted.

Because I have a few simple ideas, of ways you could procedurally generate some game elements, like trees, using spawn templates.

SLAB6? That's the fancy voxel thing made by Ken Silverman, isn't it?
There should be a pull-down menu of some kind with a paste option, for the different sides of a cube, if I recall correctly. I don't remember too well how the positioning in that thing works, though.

...How well does ZDoom handle voxels, out of curiosity?
Even just a 32x32x32 block map, would be a thing.

Re: [WIP] MCDoom - Minecraft in ZDoom!

PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:41 am
by The Zombie Killer
icelink256 wrote:Please tell me you're planning to work on a proper Minecraft Mod, of some sort. Even if it's simpler, and more restricted.

That pretty much sums up my plans for this mod

icelink256 wrote:Because I have a few simple ideas, of ways you could procedurally generate some game elements, like trees, using spawn templates.

I'm interested.

icelink256 wrote:There should be a pull-down menu of some kind with a paste option, for the different sides of a cube, if I recall correctly. I don't remember too well how the positioning in that thing works, though.

It's all done through pressing the shift key and dragging the mouse, but I can't paste it on all the sides I need because you have to press Page Up/Page Down, and my laptop doesn't have that on its keyboard (as its own key)

icelink256 wrote:How well does ZDoom handle voxels, out of curiosity?

Relatively decently, it's not great, but not terrible either.

Re: [WIP] MCDoom - Minecraft in ZDoom!

PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 4:37 am
by Lisac_the_fox
Better than first version, but still i can't place block on a block!
Edit: I found a way, just look down.

Re: [WIP] MCDoom - Minecraft in ZDoom!

PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 4:50 am
by Lisac_the_fox
Image
Imps trying to get intro my castle, they pushing the blocks. Conclusion: I think blocks should have more mass!

Re: [WIP] MCDoom - Minecraft in ZDoom!

PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:19 pm
by Voxelbro
Tip about SLAB6: don't do the bulk of your voxel on it. Seriously. I recomend MagicaVoxel, that's what I use
take this voxel https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1iew26z2c8el9/
due to voxel limitations ( all faces must have the same color), it's not possible to be an exact copy

Re: [WIP] MCDoom - Minecraft in ZDoom!

PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 11:50 pm
by The Zombie Killer
Lisac_the_fox wrote:but still i can't place block on a block!

That's because of a bug, only the last block placed will be detected by the code and be enabled to have blocks on top of it.
The first version fixed that bug, but then introduced a new bug which made it so it was very difficult or impossible to place a block next to another block.

Lisac_the_fox wrote:Imps trying to get intro my castle, they pushing the blocks. Conclusion: I think blocks should have more mass!

I know about this bug, and I know how to fix it, I was just too lazy to fix it at the time :p
It'll be fixed in the next version.

Voxelbro wrote:Tip about SLAB6: don't do the bulk of your voxel on it. Seriously. I recomend MagicaVoxel, that's what I use

Thanks for the suggestion, I'll check it out

Re: [WIP] MCDoom - Minecraft in ZDoom!

PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 8:25 am
by T_Silverwolf
Hey there,

If you have the cube you attempted to model available (assuming it conforms to 16x16 doom units), I'd be happy to model and UV map another one for you. I've been wanting to mess around with doom's scale but I've been really busy lately so I don't have the time to actually sit down and figure it out point for point. :(

Brilliant work with the code, by the way. Quite something to see!

Re: [WIP] MCDoom - Minecraft in ZDoom!

PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:45 am
by Lisac_the_fox
Is there anyway to fix the block-on-block problem?

Re: [WIP] MCDoom - Minecraft in ZDoom!

PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 4:38 am
by The Zombie Killer
T_Silverwolf wrote:If you have the cube you attempted to model available (assuming it conforms to 16x16 doom units), I'd be happy to model and UV map another one for you. I've been wanting to mess around with doom's scale but I've been really busy lately so I don't have the time to actually sit down and figure it out point for point. :(

Sadly, I don't have the model anymore. It didn't fit exactly into 16x16 units anyway, it was closer to 15.5x15.5

Lisac_the_fox wrote:Is there anyway to fix the block-on-block problem?

I've been trying to, but I can't seem to find a way at the moment. I'll figure it out eventually (I hope)
Then I can finally start adding things like monsters and more block types.

Re: [WIP] MCDoom - Minecraft in ZDoom!

PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:13 am
by Nash
The problem with using voxels for the blocks is that if you decide to go serious with this project, modding support would become a little difficult because voxel creation isn't intuitive (and not everyone has experience using voxel editors; they're quite intimidating) and would require a lot of effort just to update the assets. With MD3 models, the user can just drop in their texture replacement images and everything will be propagated on the fly.

However, use MD3s and you'll make the mod unplayable for software renderer users...

Pick your poison. XD

(On a side note, sometimes I'd misread this thread title as McDoom, and can't help but imagine McDonald's...)

Re: [WIP] MCDoom - Minecraft in ZDoom!

PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:42 am
by Lisac_the_fox
Nash wrote:The problem with using voxels for the blocks is that if you decide to go serious with this project, modding support would become a little difficult because voxel creation isn't intuitive (and not everyone has experience using voxel editors; they're quite intimidating) and would require a lot of effort just to update the assets. With MD3 models, the user can just drop in their texture replacement images and everything will be propagated on the fly.

However, use MD3s and you'll make the mod unplayable for software renderer users...

Pick your poison. XD

(On a side note, sometimes I'd misread this thread title as McDoom, and can't help but imagine McDonald's...)

Please stay on voxels, my comp cant run openGL, and i will make you blocks and items.

Re: [WIP] MCDoom - Minecraft in ZDoom!

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:53 am
by Ed the Bat
Nash wrote:(On a side note, sometimes I'd misread this thread title as McDoom, and can't help but imagine McDonald's...)

I thought I was the only one! :P

Re: [WIP] MCDoom - Minecraft in ZDoom!

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:27 am
by Captain J
need to change the name? why not DoomCraft(or DoomineCraft If it exists)?

Re: [WIP] MCDoom - Minecraft in ZDoom!

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:37 pm
by Triple S
I see this being very useful for Invasion modes. Build a basic fort, obtain points by killing mobs, use points for specialty parts and stronger blocks.

Or even DoomForts! Would love to see SourceForts remade in the Doom engine, especially from back before it was class-based and more limited.

Re: [WIP] MCDoom - Minecraft in ZDoom!

PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 1:12 am
by The Zombie Killer
GZDoom allows a modder to use both models and voxels at the same time. So I'll probably go down that route.
If anyone can give be a 16x16 UV-mapped cube, I'll love them forever.

Lisac_the_fox wrote:Please stay on voxels, my comp cant run openGL, and i will make you blocks and items.

You might wanna get a new PC then if you can't run GL mode :p
Don't worry though, I'll still have voxels there for software users. If I can get a model they'll be converted from it with poly2vox.

Captain J wrote:need to change the name? why not DoomCraft

Poll!

Triple S wrote:I see this being very useful for Invasion modes. Build a basic fort, obtain points by killing mobs, use points for specialty parts and stronger blocks.

Or even DoomForts! Would love to see SourceForts remade in the Doom engine, especially from back before it was class-based and more limited.

I'll probably end up going in that direction for the mod, dunno yet though.