A little more color quality.

championhyena · Post by **championhyena** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 2:50 am

ZDoom has been stuck at 8bpp for as long as I can remember, and I think it's time that changed. Normally, people looking for higher bpps would play ZDoomGL, but it hasn't been updated since April of 2004 and thus isn't current as far as new ZDoom features are concerned. I'm not saying that we need to go overboard on graphical updates and leave code improvements behind, but it would be nice if what is arguably the best Doom port doesn't look like cheesy ass.

Nmn · Post by **Nmn** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 3:21 am

Not possible on software rendering I'm affraid

Post by **NiGHTMARE** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 5:45 am

More than 8-bit colour is certainly possible in software rendering. In fact, there were games with high color modes around before 3D cards even existed

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I suspect the problem is that it'd just be difficult and/or time consuming to implement in ZDoom.

Post by **Bio Hazard** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 5:55 am

To tell you the truth. I have been playing with 8bpp for so long. I really don't notice the lack of colors, I guess my imagination just fills it in for me or something... In fact, when a wad changes the palette (njma01.wad, zendyn.wad), It takes me a sec to adjust, even though they are minor changes.

If ZDoom were to become 16bpp or even 32bpp, it would look radically different.
Not that there is anything wrong with that though...

Nmn · Post by **Nmn** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 5:57 am

Oh Really?

Than it's my wish then.

Post by **Graf Zahl** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 5:59 am

Bio Hazard wrote:If ZDoom were to become 16bpp or even 32bpp, it would look radically different.

It would look radically better! Having played a lot recently with OpenGL 8 bpp doesn't look that good anymore.

Post by **Bio Hazard** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 6:01 am

I never said more colors would look worse

Post by **NiGHTMARE** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 6:09 am

Come to think of it, doesn't the software version of EDGE have a 16-bit mode?

kgsws · Post by **kgsws** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 6:18 am

8bpp is not bad, i do not like polymost !

David Ferstat · Post by **David Ferstat** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 6:21 am

Sigh ... time to put them out of their misery.

The word is this: Randy has, on several occasions, stated that increasing the pallette size in Zdoom is way down his list of priorities. In other words, don't expect it any time soon.

championhyena · Post by **championhyena** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 12:37 pm

Yeah, but I always figured he said that 'cause ZDoomGL was doin' it just fine. Now ZDoomGL's gone, and we are languishing in an 8bpp HELL!

Alright, maybe that's a little huge.

Well, can we get an estimate on how difficult 16 or 32bpp would be to implement?

HobbsTiger1 · Post by **HobbsTiger1** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 12:42 pm

championhyena wrote:Yeah, but I always figured he said that 'cause ZDoomGL was doin' it just fine. Now ZDoomGL's gone, and we are languishing in an 8bpp HELL!

Alright, maybe that's a little huge.

Well, can we get an estimate on how difficult 16 or 32bpp would be to implement?

8bpp isn't hell. While 16bpp or 32bpp color would be nice, we don't need it. Also, a GL port would be nice too, but it needs to be done right, without all the fancy and useless features that things like jDoom have. If it were me, I'd stick with what we have. Randy apparently agrees.

Post by **Graf Zahl** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 2:36 pm

HobbsTiger1 wrote: 8bpp isn't hell. While 16bpp or 32bpp color would be nice, we don't need it. Also, a GL port would be nice too, but it needs to be done right, without all the fancy and useless features that things like jDoom have. If it were me, I'd stick with what we have. Randy apparently agrees.

Sorry, but you apparently haven't seen anything that makes use of higher color resolution, otherwise you wouldn't say this. True Color is not about useless eye candy (which isn't that bad if it can be used by mappers. That's the point where JDoom fails. All this neat stuff and no decent way to use it...)

Post by **Graf Zahl** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 2:37 pm

championhyena wrote:Now ZDoomGL's gone, and we are languishing in an 8bpp HELL!

Why do you think that?

Nmn · Post by **Nmn** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 2:50 pm

Hi color would be of unimaginable use (as of now) for a graphic artist

I'm all for it.