[No] Monsters effected by environments

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Monsters effected by environments

Postby Lexus Alyus » Mon Aug 01, 2005 4:14 am

Ya know, it always annopyed me that monsdters were exempt from environmental effects liker slime and lava. Now, with all the enhancemewnts from Hexen, monstes are also exempt from friction effects, etc... why do they think they are so special? :D. I think we should add a flag for decorate to state weather a monster is effected by environmental effects, etc... This way at least gives us the option :).

Maybe you could also add a flag or option so this effects current Doom monsters?

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Postby ant1991331 » Mon Aug 01, 2005 4:18 am

I like the idea, but gees, you should fix the multiple spelling mistakes....
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Re: Monsters effected by environments

Postby Graf Zahl » Mon Aug 01, 2005 4:33 am

Lexus Alyus wrote:Ya know, it always annopyed me that monsdters were exempt from environmental effects liker slime and lava.


That's obviously because the monster's AI can't handle it and the monsters would die too quickly.

Now, with all the enhancemewnts from Hexen, monstes are also exempt from friction effects, etc... why do they think they are so special? :D.


Monsters are special because they move differently. They don't use momentum and friction and emulating this is not easy. MBF tried but failed miserably. Randy added the code to ZDoom but commented it out because it doesn't work.
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Postby Phobus » Mon Aug 01, 2005 4:44 am

Anyway, if the monsters come from hell then surely a little lava can't hurt them :D
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Postby Lexus Alyus » Mon Aug 01, 2005 4:49 am

I suppose the programming and monster AI are effects that limit this idea... daym :D.

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Postby Wills » Mon Aug 01, 2005 5:15 am

ant1991331 wrote:I like the idea, but gees, you should fix the multiple spelling mistakes....


Lexus Alyus's title wrote:I speak worse English than Americans :D.


@Ant: Around here his type of speech is called Lexian... just a tip.
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Postby TheDarkArchon » Mon Aug 01, 2005 7:01 am

Could there be a flag for cases like marines (You can't go in lava without melting but friendly marines can? WTF?!)
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Postby Cutmanmike » Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:06 am

Umm... They have permenant shielding suits.... Yeah.... *Runs*
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Postby Graf Zahl » Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:07 am

Of course you could implement such a flag - but any monster using it would be dead much quicker than you might imagine. The monster AI is simply not capable of handling damaging sectors.
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Postby Cutmanmike » Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:18 am

Well a flag would be okay. I hate knocking monsters off into lava pits and they still manage to fire up at me.
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Postby Graf Zahl » Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:23 am

...in and every map with accessible damaging areas they kill themselves faster than you can look. Without an AI overhaul such a flag is totally useless.
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Postby Cutmanmike » Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:25 am

Ah good point. But it COULD be useful for user created wads, and some nice block enemy lines.
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Postby Risen » Mon Aug 01, 2005 1:07 pm

It could be useful for specially designed maps. Perhaps a MAPINFO flag would be the best implementation.
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