[No] Ability to like someone's post?

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Ability to like someone's post?

Postby mjr4077au » Mon May 25, 2020 5:30 pm

Using the Duke4 forum for example, you can give someone's post a one-up/kudos which I often do when I want to show appreciation for someone's response without making noise and/or possibly bumping a thread.

Does phpBB have any plug-in that's similar and if so could it be a consideration for deployment during the next forum maintenance window?
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Re: Ability to like someone's post?

Postby Rachael » Mon May 25, 2020 5:41 pm

Addons like this are possible, but the community transformation created with something like this has, in my experience, never been positive.

In theory, sure, it is a great thing - you can agree with someone without making a post, and good posts get elevated.

In practice, what tends to happen is troll groups tend to band together and elevate each other, and a tit for tat rivalry occurs where one group or another tries to prop up ridiculous posts or statements and in some cases causes a bit of divisiveness which is something we'd prefer to try and avoid.

Even if that doesn't happen, it puts a higher contrast on groups of people where popular people get far more recognition and underdogs have to work that much harder just to even be recognized. Keeping a level playing field is, in my opinion, important - people's more immediate actions should have far more effect and consequences on the community than their reputations or following.

So sorry - no - this will not happen.

However: If someone made a particularly exceptionally good post, and you think they should be recognized for it - report it. Reports aren't always for bad posts. There is an option to nominate the post for the community guide program - and they will be considered.
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Re: Ability to like someone's post?

Postby mjr4077au » Mon May 25, 2020 5:48 pm

Thank you for your comprehensive reply and appreciate the insight you've provided instead of just a "no". Given how often the "Halls of Unpleasantness" get updated around here, I wouldn't want to make the lives of the mods any harder than they already appear to be :wink:
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Re: Ability to like someone's post?

Postby Enjay » Mon May 25, 2020 5:52 pm

Rachael wrote:no

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;)

Definitely not a fan of the idea for the reasons that Rachael posted and more.
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Re: Ability to like someone's post?

Postby mjr4077au » Mon May 25, 2020 5:54 pm

Yeah what she's said is all fair enough. Still glad I asked and do appreciate the decent response :)
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Re: Ability to like someone's post?

Postby Enjay » Mon May 25, 2020 5:56 pm

Indeed: A question politely asked and the answer was accepted in the spirit with which it was given. Can't ask for much more than that.
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Re: Ability to like someone's post?

Postby Graf Zahl » Mon May 25, 2020 11:49 pm

I already noticed this on Doomworld where it's particularly the controversial discussions that get the most likes. If such a system ever got implemented it should exclude the "Off-Topic" forum - I'd only consider it useful for those subforums where people ask for modding help or present their projects but even there I don't think the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.
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Re: Ability to like someone's post?

Postby mjr4077au » Mon May 25, 2020 11:59 pm

Reflecting on what you said RE: controversial Doomworld posts, I agree that it could be problematic here as there are occasional breakouts like that here also. If you could only rely on others not to be muppets... Ah, I can dream :)
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Re: Ability to like someone's post?

Postby Rachael » Tue May 26, 2020 1:02 am

mjr4077au wrote: If you could only rely on others not to be muppets... Ah, I can dream :)

Ooof! That is one of the single biggest problems we have at large today and it's only gotten worse since the past decade. And honestly, that is a big part of what has motivated me to say [No] here.

There's way too much authoritarianism where people feel they must accept the opinion of only one other person and reject all others, regardless of facts or any god forbid actual valid reason to question it. It has permeated the Doom community, especially at Doomworld where very little of critical thought ever improves a discussion - the person who brings it up is often instead derided and quickly demoted to a pariah, which lays bare the toxic nature of certain individuals who frequent the place. The worst thing is - this behaviour is encouraged.

Personally I am sickened when someone agrees with me just a little bit too much - I don't know why other people don't feel the same. I'm not asking that a person challenge or question every little thing that I do, it's just that I hate sycophancy.
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Re: Ability to like someone's post?

Postby lowskill. » Tue May 26, 2020 9:07 am

Graf Zahl wrote:I already noticed this on Doomworld where it's particularly the controversial discussions that get the most likes. If such a system ever got implemented it should exclude the "Off-Topic" forum - I'd only consider it useful for those subforums where people ask for modding help or present their projects but even there I don't think the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.

My thoughts exactly.

Honestly I'm a bit of a fan of "like" systems, but I agree that to keep trolls at bay it's best to enable it only in sections where it's the most relevant. Although it can be fun in off-topic as well, when someone makes a gold post :laff: .

That being said, reputation systems with upvotes AND upvotes is something I utterly despise. This is, indeed, an open invitation for trolls, people who don't like you, those who like to "silence" opposing views and preferences, or simply want to be assholes just because. DW used to have a reputation system in place for reviews in the past, for instance, and unsurprisingly this is exactly what happened - I myself had some reviews downvoted into oblivion because guess what, I criticized "the wrong wads" basically.

They open a can of worms you can never stop, so fuck reputation systems.
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Re: Ability to like someone's post?

Postby Redneckerz » Tue May 26, 2020 10:53 am

mjr4077au wrote:Using the Duke4 forum for example, you can give someone's post a one-up/kudos which I often do when I want to show appreciation for someone's response without making noise and/or possibly bumping a thread.

Does phpBB have any plug-in that's similar and if so could it be a consideration for deployment during the next forum maintenance window?

A thumbs up does not say much. You see this with Instagram. And imagine bad news: A famous actor or family has died. What can you do, if the option is only a like?

Ofcourse, you want to support such people, but a like can also be interpreted wildly different in that case - It could also mean you are happy that this person passed away, for instance.

That's one of the main pitfalls of a like system - It forfeits nuance for a simple credibility rating.

As Graf mentions, on DW it is very apparent that controversy sells likes. And i like to iterate on it: that long lasting vets get likes a lot quicker, even when what theysay is the exact same thing anyone else would say - Even more, when you get 15, you also get a heart. as a form of highlighting.

Suppose i found an absolute one of a kind release and i post it versus a long lasting vet doing the same thing. I get 8 likes, the vet gets 25, because its a common name that posted it. What the like system does, is making posts by common names be near-automatically be of more importance than Joe Sixpack who discovers and posts the same things.

I have to admit that i am guilty of giving likes away as well for zero purpose, but i don't think it benefits people - If it was only the initial purpose, of highlighting an quality post, then yes.

But as with every like system, it gets misused to favorite specific users. And that's just not cool.

If anything else, i would want whatever i contribute be appreciated by the people for who it has a purpose for and actually thank me in private or something to that effect. One thank you is far more valuable than 15 likes that give you a heart detailing that what you just wrote is popular.

Graf Zahl wrote:I already noticed this on Doomworld where it's particularly the controversial discussions that get the most likes.

Obviously. Guess who get them. :foxnews: :mrgreen:

That's not to say that their comments aren't valuable - Its just that it becomes a common theme to see whenever such user makes a post. You can set your watch on it.

The worst part is that those likes aren't retracted when its found out that the controversy or the tone setting of such a user was out of line. And its not like they follow through with the initial response, either - Sooner than later they leave the thread when they made their point, whatever that is supposed to be.

Irrational anger damages people who at best you know from an avatar. But behind that avatar is an actual person with actual thoughts and actual feelings. I feel that this often gets missed these days, not just with Doom in general... Alright enough pedantry. :)

EDIT: A few hours later added some additional clarity in.
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Re: Ability to like someone's post?

Postby Enjay » Tue May 26, 2020 12:31 pm

Redneckerz wrote:Irrational anger damages people who at best you know from an avatar. But behind that avatar is an actual person with actual thoughts and actual feelings. I feel that this often gets missed these days, not just with Doom in general... Alright enough pedantry. :)

By sheer coincidence, I saw this earlier today.

I'm not saying that I fully agree with the sentiment (I don't think we should be going around punching people in the mouth) but there is something in it I feel (anonymous internet action without consequence).
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Re: Ability to like someone's post?

Postby PlayerLin » Fri May 29, 2020 1:46 pm

You know, as veteran member of Duke4.net, its rep. system just can't resisted those known problems about abusing it/drama making(plus some folks on there didn't like too much of "moderated" like ZDooM forum, they want some more "freedom" about their posts, even it's just small scale of shitposting or trolling but not over-doing, except sometimes went out of control...).

When seeing someone "get triggered" by downvotes on here(and it still happened these days, maybe happened on somewhere you may not able to visit), you would know that will only make shit(drama) flies, even you know you never downvote someone's post but somebody may can't resist to use that and shit happens.

So, no, that kind of thing may not fit this forum I think... :3:
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Re: Ability to like someone's post?

Postby lowskill. » Sat May 30, 2020 9:28 am

You know, I've been thinking of something else recently, but I figured I would ask here first since I don't want to open a topic just for naught.

Is there a reason why we don't have a follow topic/member function implemented? I find this feature exceptionally useful to easily stay up-to-date with projects and things I'm interested in on DW, and I think ZDoom Forums could benefit from it as well. Or do we have one and I just don't know where it is?
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Re: Ability to like someone's post?

Postby Rachael » Sat May 30, 2020 9:33 am

You can follow topics simply by clicking "Subscribe Topic" at the bottom of a thread. That causes topic replies to be sent to you via email.

No such function exists for tracking a user, but it's probably better that way. Every user's profile has a link that allows you to search all their posts, anyhow, which is enough if you ask me. Simply click on their name in any thread and then click on the bold Search user's posts.
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