Include TiMidity++ in the www.zdoom.org downloads section

[WilliamMacau]

Is it possible to add TiMidity++ to the downloads section? ( I mean, does its licensing allow for? )

Also, if YES, is it possible to do even better: incorporate the timidity.exe code (timidity4zdoom I guess) into ZDOOM's code ?

Or even like Fluidsynth - a compiled DLL ???

Just asking. I know, licensing is tricky; and coding even more.

[Gez]

As a DLL, it wouldn't work; when ZDoom uses it it runs it as a program, it doesn't just borrow some functions.

Incorporating TiMidity++'s code directly into ZDoom isn't possible as long as GPL-incompatible code remains present in ZDoom's codebase (this means some Build code in the renderer, the MUSLIB code for OPL playback, and the MAME OPL2 core).

Adding TiMidity++ to the download section, like Fluidsynth already is, is certainly possible, though.

[WilliamMacau]

Oh, I see. Would be nice to have it in the downloads page, as the first time I read about it, I had to do some googlin' to find the correct forum thread where it was posted.

And it would be necessary to recompile it? I mean, after all this time, ZDoom has changend a lot. Isn't out there a more recent version of the Timidity source code ?

[Hellser]

Incorporating TiMidity++'s code directly into ZDoom isn't possible as long as GPL-incompatible code remains present in ZDoom's codebase (this means some Build code in the renderer, the MUSLIB code for OPL playback, and the MAME OPL2 core).

Isn't there a heavily modified version of Timidity however for GUS emulation?

[Gez]

The GUS emulator is built on TiMidity Original Flavor™, which is LGPL. TiMidity++ had its license changed from LGPL to GPL. While the LGPL is compatible with ZDoom's [wiki=license]complex licensing mess[/wiki], the GPL isn't, so modified TiMidity is fine but TiMidity++ isn't.

Oh, I see. Would be nice to have it in the downloads page, as the first time I read about it, I had to do some googlin' to find the correct forum thread where it was posted.

And it would be necessary to recompile it? I mean, after all this time, ZDoom has changend a lot. Isn't out there a more recent version of the Timidity source code ?

The download link is in the [wiki=TiMidity++]wiki article[/wiki], so google shouldn't have been needed.

The download is a standard Win32 exe, so compilation isn't needed if you use a Windows system.

[WilliamMacau]

Well, so, isn't possible to make the built-in GUS emulator modded work with SF2 soundfonts too? It would solve this licensing issue.

[Graf Zahl]

No idea, but enhancing Timidity/GUS definitely low priority.

[WilliamMacau]

MY BAD SORRY.

[Major Cooke]

You should report this in a new bug thread instead of posting a completely unrelated note.

[WilliamMacau]

So, there's no objection to include it.

[enderkevin13]

I'd use Coolsoft tbh, it works better and it's easier to use.

[Hellser]

I'd use Coolsoft tbh, it works better and it's easier to use.

Maybe. But it doesn't support GUS-like patches.

[enderkevin13]

I'd use Coolsoft tbh, it works better and it's easier to use.

Maybe. But it doesn't support GUS-like patches.

True.

[Graf Zahl]

It looks like this has been addressed.