New Intel CPU vulnerability - SPOILER

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New Intel CPU vulnerability - SPOILER

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Special thanks to Tiger for making me aware of this.

Down to brass tacks:
  • AMD and ARM CPU's are not affected
  • Is "speculative" - i.e. this means it's hard to actually exploit, but doable, similar to the SPECTRE and Meltdown attacks.
  • Intel has already been informed about the vulnerability
  • Researchers are quoted as saying that Spoiler "is not something you can patch easily with microcode without losing tremendous performance"
  • Intel also is quoted as saying the following:
    "Intel received notice of this research, and we expect that software can be protected against such issues by employing side channel safe software development practices. This includes avoiding control flows that are dependent on the data of interest. We likewise expect that DRAM modules mitigated against Rowhammer style attacks remain protected. Protecting our customers and their data continues to be a critical priority for us and we appreciate the efforts of the security community for their ongoing research."
My take:
I think AMD's advantage is being vastly overstated here, particularly in the Forbes article - but it's not something to be ignored with this particular vulnerability. I find it shady as fuck that Intel is asking vendors not to post their before-and-after-the-patch benchmarks for their CPU performance. Just patch the vulnerability and move on. I kind of wish Intel would do trade-in offers for vulnerable CPU's so that you can get one with the vulnerability patched on the hardware end for a lot cheaper.

The fact that many of these vulnerabilities target Intel, though, do have a bit to do with Intel's vulnerability bounty program - something that any sane company would want to implement to help keep their products secure. So keep in mind that while AMD vulnerabilities don't make the news as often as Intel does, that doesn't mean you're automatically safe just by using them. However - if you listen to the greedy assholes on money networks, then it is true that Intel is being feared more by investors who are dumping stock in favor of AMD as a result of this, and consumer fears will be equally matched.

You, as a regular user, don't have a lot to worry about unless you are actively making use of restrictive user accounts to contain possible damage by malware or other users on your system. Or if you're the type who believes that patching is for losers, but then you have much more serious things to worry about anyway than speculative execution exploits. (In other words - keep your browser and OS up to date!) However - people running public-facing servers have a lot more to be concerned about with this vulnerability - especially websites that are on shared or cloud storage providers.

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It's gonna be speculative never-ending story I guess.
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Rachael wrote:The fact that many of these vulnerabilities target Intel, though, do have a bit to do with Intel's vulnerability bounty program - something that any sane company would want to implement to help keep their products secure. So keep in mind that while AMD vulnerabilities don't make the news as often as Intel does, that doesn't mean you're automatically safe just by using them. However - if you listen to the greedy assholes on money networks, then it is true that Intel is being feared more by investors who are dumping stock in favor of AMD as a result of this, and consumer fears will be equally matched.
As a consumer you should be happy that Intel is getting a reputation issue here regardless of whether AMD could potentially be hit by similar problems. As someone that recently switched from Intel to AMD I'm happy that we finally see AMD produce some CPU's that are threatening Intel. This in turn will force Intel to up their game. Last time AMD dominated CPU's we got goodies such as x64 - this time we might finally get more cores.
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Indeed. All the time when Intel had the upper hand, progress was virtually zero. They seem to be too focussed on securing their profits than improving the product.

But I have to wonder what more cores will ultimately mean for GZDoom and when the engine can start making use of them. There's still far too many 2 core systems being produced for the low end laptop market and all those users, despite their systems barely being capable of running games, expect something like Doom to work on theirs...
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Graf Zahl wrote:Indeed. All the time when Intel had the upper hand, progress was virtually zero. They seem to be too focussed on securing their profits than improving the product.

But I have to wonder what more cores will ultimately mean for GZDoom and when the engine can start making use of them. There's still far too many 2 core systems being produced for the low end laptop market and all those users, despite their systems barely being capable of running games, expect something like Doom to work on theirs...
To be fair, Doom should run just fine on those. It's GZDoom they have trouble with. :twisted:
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It's GZDoom have trouble with mods :twisted:
My five cents.
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apRklRoPAQf wrote:It's GZDoom have trouble with mods :twisted:
My five cents.
...I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask you to clarify.
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Game modifications. Just the Iwads with GZDoom - meh, raspi can do it.
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