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Re: Is Doom really outdated?

PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2015 9:37 am
by TheMightyHeracross
That's like saying Psycho is a dumb movie from a bygone era of film because it's black and white.

Re: Is Doom really outdated?

PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 9:17 am
by ibm5155
The Engine:Yes
Gameplay: Kinda.

Doom has the basic gameplay resources that any game uses today, but there're ofc things that aren't used anymore, like:
-no freelook
-no jump
-no crouch
-No HP bar
-no vertical aim.
-A face in your screen representing you.
-guns at the center of the screen

So, I'm going to say it's 40% outdated

Re: Is Doom really outdated?

PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 9:53 am
by Princess Viscra Maelstrom
i wouldn't really say those things makes the game outdated, since they don't hinder your ability to play the game. you can't freelook? no, but there's auto-aim that serves the same basic purpose. can't jump or crouch? no, but the levels aren't designed around that. HP bar? then what do you call that health indicator on your HUD? and the guns are centered so it's easier to aim them because there's no crosshair in the vanilla game.

Doom is old, yes, but if it were outdated, it'd just have its place in history and never be replayed anymore save for maybe once or twice out of nostalgia or our of curiosity. the fact that it's still alive shows that Doom never really aged, despite it being released almost 22 years ago.

Re: Is Doom really outdated?

PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:41 pm
by Hellstorm Archon
I think the AVGN sums it up best:

There's a difference between being old-school and being outdated. Old-school means that it may be primitive now, but it's fun, and you can always jump right back into it whenever you want. Outdated is something you'll never want to go back to (obviously not the case here).

Re: Is Doom really outdated?

PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:06 pm
by Gez
The Doom engine is outdated, but the Doom games are still fun.

Though personally I play new levels in ZDoom, rather than the original IWADs in vanilla, so yeah, if Doom hadn't been extended by ports and countless mods it would definitely be outdated (at least as far as I'm concerned, that is).

Re: Is Doom really outdated?

PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:52 pm
by Marisa Kirisame
Of course, at least ports let it run in modern systems.

Re: Is Doom really outdated?

PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 5:07 pm
by enderkevin13
Doom is surprisingly up to date thanks to updates to the ports and custom mods.

Re: Is Doom really outdated?

PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:36 am
by demo_the_man
Agreed. Doom has aged extremly well compared to other first person shooters of the time, due to their boringness(Wolf3d), obscurity (ROTT), and sudden series existance failure(duke3d). The mechanics are simple, but lend themselves to complex keycard switch up and down level design very well. While story is there, it is just there to give context to the players actions and location. Doom has aged better than most due to the huge community of map makers, modders , and people that work to update the games code, adding in features that would be in full 3d engines. Doom was never outdated, it just becomes better every year

Re: Is Doom really outdated?

PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:44 am
by Hellser
demo_the_man wrote:due to their boringness(Wolf3d), obscurity (ROTT), and sudden series existance failure(duke3d).


Them's fighting words.

Re: Is Doom really outdated?

PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:44 am
by cambertian
Doom's a fine game. The engine (if you're talking ZDoom and not the original DOS exe) is more robust than a lot of hard-coded game engines, and the gameplay still holds up, much like how many modern gamers can still appreciate Super Mario Bros. on the NES.
What I think DOESN'T hold up is Duke3D. That game's engine has always struck me as clunky, what with doors that can swing open and instantly kill you and whatnot... Besides, I think Blood did it better overall :D

Re: Is Doom really outdated?

PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 5:37 am
by Big C
I don't think DooM's outddated by any means, but the original DOS engine is a bit clunky and less modular than more modern source ports. The actual gameplay is solid, though.

Re: Is Doom really outdated?

PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:24 am
by NeuralStunner
Big C wrote:The actual gameplay is solid, though.
You sure?
John Romero wrote:i'd leave: this is just more monsters and levels. what a load.
:P

Re: Is Doom really outdated?

PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 1:28 pm
by Nash
Neural: when/where did Romero write that?

Re: Is Doom really outdated?

PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 2:08 pm
by Gez
Nash wrote:Neural: when/where did Romero write that?

In the source code, during development.

This is one of only three extra messages without profanity.

Re: Is Doom really outdated?

PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:02 pm
by leileilol
It was also annoying when some source ports decided to force them on without warning as it seemed like horrible edgecruft. Even jDoom was guilty of this.