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Re: Which Doom source port developers would you hire for a j

Postby Big C » Mon Apr 27, 2015 4:14 pm

GooberMan wrote:Who's gonna be the first to link to the DW Legacy thread so that people can understand Graf's cryptic-

Oh, wait, I guess I answered that question.


Please tell me that guys like this are the minority in the Linux community? I've considered getting into open source dev but lately I've been nervous.

Pleaaaaaase.
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Re: Which Doom source port developers would you hire for a j

Postby Graf Zahl » Mon Apr 27, 2015 4:38 pm

leileilol wrote:The dev Graf is implying also stole from the Quake 1.01 source code leak before the Quake source was GPLed. (This was proven far too late, and Carmack has pardoned this damage)


No, he did not. When that happened he wasn't even there, this were other guys who are long gone by now.
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Re: Which Doom source port developers would you hire for a j

Postby ETTiNGRiNDER » Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:24 pm

Big C wrote:Please tell me that guys like this are the minority in the Linux community? I've considered getting into open source dev but lately I've been nervous.

Pleaaaaaase.

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Re: Which Doom source port developers would you hire for a j

Postby Big C » Wed Apr 29, 2015 12:31 am

ETTiNGRiNDER wrote:
Big C wrote:Please tell me that guys like this are the minority in the Linux community? I've considered getting into open source dev but lately I've been nervous.

Pleaaaaaase.

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Well fuck. Can we just go back to abacuses, then? Anything sounds less frustrating than a trifecta consisting of "Unworkable, unfixable, proprietary pleb OS", "once-workable OS turned into a socialite gadget OS", and "elitist OS made by elitists for elitists who aren't obligated to share anything or otherwise help you".

Sorry. I once wanted to get into Linux development. But now I've concluded it was full of diehard believers who, like any sufficiently devout believer of anything, were quite willing to tell you why their patron saint was good for you but not whether it would actually help you.
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Re: Which Doom source port developers would you hire for a j

Postby Graf Zahl » Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:14 am

Big C wrote:Sorry. I once wanted to get into Linux development. But now I've concluded it was full of diehard believers who, like any sufficiently devout believer of anything, were quite willing to tell you why their patron saint was good for you but not whether it would actually help you.



Too true. Not particularly here, but I have been in forums where any kind of civilized discussion with Linux users is not possible because the majority consists out of these bottom-feeding creatures you describe.

For those, Windows is shit by default, if you start to argue you get flamed, if you have problems they get condescending and if you question some of Linux's design choices you are deemed a moron who doesn't know how things are supposed to work. No, thank you.

And then they wonder why Linux on desktop hovers around 1-2% market share and Windows at 90%.

It's something I already said 5 or so years ago in a Linux discussion at Doomworld: The biggest obstacle preventing Linux from getting market share are its users who are dead set on preventing the problems that prevent it from gaining market share from getting resolved.
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Re: Which Doom source port developers would you hire for a j

Postby Big C » Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:43 am

Graf Zahl wrote:
Big C wrote:Sorry. I once wanted to get into Linux development. But now I've concluded it was full of diehard believers who, like any sufficiently devout believer of anything, were quite willing to tell you why their patron saint was good for you but not whether it would actually help you.



Too true. Not particularly here, but I have been in forums where any kind of civilized discussion with Linux users is not possible because the majority consists out of these bottom-feeding creatures you describe.

For those, Windows is shit by default, if you start to argue you get flamed, if you have problems they get consescending and if you question some of Linux's design choices you are deemed a moron who doesn't know how things are supposed to work. No, thank you.

And then they wonder why Linux on desktop hovers around 1-2% market share and Windows at 90%.

It's something I already said 5 or so years ago in a Linux discussion at Doomworld: The biggest obstacle preventing Linux from getting market share are its users who are dead set on preventing the problems that prevent it from gaining market share from getting resolved.


...Which in turn scares off all the sane/moderate people, causing a feedback loop.

Christ, fuck this whole line of work. What does it take short of putting guns to people's fucking heads to achieve lasting change here?

Oh, and don't get me started on the (at least perceived) sexism in the OSS community. Or the shrieking, harpy-like response to said perceived sexism that insisted on long, boring lectures and was too willing to tear down existing progress for the sake of feelings---never mind that some of these hardcore Linux twats can't hack it socially with other males, much less women or transfolk, and that trying to teach them gender/cultural diversity was like teaching a child how to drive a car safely before you teach them not to run with scissors.

When that shit started happening I felt like I was being used as a pawn/shield no matter which side I took.
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Re: Which Doom source port developers would you hire for a j

Postby Blox » Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:53 am

Big C wrote:Oh, and don't get me started on the (at least perceived) sexism in the OSS community. Or the shrieking, harpy-like response to said perceived sexism that insisted on long, boring lectures and was too willing to tear down existing progress for the sake of sensitive, feelings-based---never mind that some of these twats can't hack it socially with other males, much less women or transfolk, and that trying to teach them gender/cultural diversity was like teaching a child how to drive a car safely before you teach them not to run with scissors.

I wonder why I dumped crawl like a terrible girlfriend. (And that's just a little snippet.)
It's probably not because this shit has completely soaked through it and its devteam, no - not at all.
(oh and did you know I'm banned from both of the two official crawl IRC channels)

I'm usually a pretty nice guy, but if someone insists on making me their enemy then I won't hesitate to bite.
their loss for giving up someone who actually gave a shit about the game ;)
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Re: Which Doom source port developers would you hire for a j

Postby Big C » Wed Apr 29, 2015 2:12 am

Blox wrote:
Big C wrote:Oh, and don't get me started on the (at least perceived) sexism in the OSS community. Or the shrieking, harpy-like response to said perceived sexism that insisted on long, boring lectures and was too willing to tear down existing progress for the sake of sensitive, feelings-based---never mind that some of these twats can't hack it socially with other males, much less women or transfolk, and that trying to teach them gender/cultural diversity was like teaching a child how to drive a car safely before you teach them not to run with scissors.

I wonder why I dumped crawl like a terrible girlfriend. (And that's just a little snippet.)
It's probably not because this shit has completely soaked through it and its devteam, no - not at all.
(oh and did you know I'm banned from both of the two official crawl IRC channels)

I'm usually a pretty nice guy, but if someone insists on making me their enemy then I won't hesitate to bite.
their loss for giving up someone who actually gave a shit about the game ;)


The sad part is that I can't tell whether those two links are supposed to be pro-macho grognardism or pro-Mr. Sensitive ego-soothing quasi-egalitarianism. This shit all looks the same to me at this point.

More on-topic: I would hire the GZDoom crew (for their experience in allowing some truly unique stuff to be coded) and PRBoom/PRBoom+'s developers (simplicity, modernity, reliability).
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Re: Which Doom source port developers would you hire for a j

Postby printz » Wed Apr 29, 2015 3:38 am

Big C wrote:
Graf Zahl wrote:
Big C wrote:Oh, and don't get me started on the (at least perceived) sexism in the OSS community.
I've witnessed dumb sexism at Doomworld as well. Female posters were attacked for declaring their gender (with responses like "no-one needed to know that" -- apparently it's pretentious and demonstrative to say "hey I'm a girl/she") and it was apparently okay to say things like "women should never be put in positions of power" and be agreed by others. I know in both cases those female posters had said other things (on-topic) that weren't quite OK, but there's no need to bash people solely based on gender.

All-in-all when it comes to individuals, gender doesn't matter when it's about playing/modding/programming Doom. We don't have enough statistics to compare wads made by girls vs wads made by guys.
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Re: Which Doom source port developers would you hire for a j

Postby Blox » Wed Apr 29, 2015 4:02 am

printz wrote:I've witnessed dumb sexism at Doomworld as well. Female posters were attacked for declaring their gender (with responses like "no-one needed to know that" -- apparently it's pretentious and demonstrative to say "hey I'm a girl/she") and it was apparently okay to say things like "women should never be put in positions of power" and be agreed by others.

Idiots will be idiots, and those are not things anyone reasonable would say unsnarkly.
Except most reasonable people tend to be more silent than said idiots and what do you know - seckCISm plaegues teh gayming cummunity!1!

(Except you know, not all that much if you don't count the idiots nobody wants.)
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Re: Which Doom source port developers would you hire for a j

Postby Graf Zahl » Wed Apr 29, 2015 4:19 am

Same problem as always: You have a large group and the 1% of morons in there poison the atmosphere with their stupidity.
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Re: Which Doom source port developers would you hire for a j

Postby GooberMan » Wed Apr 29, 2015 5:25 am

Occupy Linux.

Let's do it, chaps.
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Re: Which Doom source port developers would you hire for a j

Postby Blzut3 » Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:44 am

Graf Zahl wrote:The biggest obstacle preventing Linux from getting market share are its users who are dead set on preventing the problems that prevent it from gaining market share from getting resolved.

Heh, so true. Thankfully Lennart Poettering is fixing the big issues without caring what the vocal minority says about his work. He must be doing something right since systemd and PulseAudio are almost universally adopted now.
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Re: Which Doom source port developers would you hire for a j

Postby Graf Zahl » Wed Apr 29, 2015 11:47 am

I did some googling after that guy and have to say it was really an interesting read. What's up with the community to get so hostile against someone who actually tries to improve things?
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Re: Which Doom source port developers would you hire for a j

Postby Blzut3 » Wed Apr 29, 2015 12:12 pm

I wish I could give an answer to that, but I can't. Frankly the people that hate on those technologies probably can't even give you an answer that isn't completely BS. There seems to be a complete misunderstanding what those products do at times. For example all the people that think PulseAudio is a replacement for ALSA when in reality it's merely a more powerful dmix.
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