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12 gauge dragons breath fire ammo, feels like Doom!

PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:30 am
by maseter
Here is FPSRussia firing a Remington model 878 with dragons breath ammo, which makes it shoot fire!

This feels like straight out of Doom, so which modder do i bother to make this weapon mod happen? :)

Re: 12 gauge dragons breath fire ammo, feels like Doom!

PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 7:52 am
by Arctangent
I'd be completely astonished if there wasn't like twenty mods that already feature this; maybe you should poke around?

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 7:53 am
by Tapwave
...why did you post this in general instead of the projects idea thread?

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:20 pm
by Hellser
A couple of mods already have this. The problem is, the Dragon Breath fire ammo isn't that effective at killing. It sets fire to clothing, and it's safe to assume in the future, armor is fireproof. If anything, should look into is flechettes. Darts in a shotgun case. Now lets electrify that some how~.

Re: 12 gauge dragons breath fire ammo, feels like Doom!

PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 1:44 pm
by Reactor
Hellser is right, the same type of ammo was also present in Red Faction 2 once you grab the shotgun, y'can grab normal shotty ammo and incendiary shotty ammo simultaneously (this is a bit funny), and the incendiary ammo was never really THAT effective. At least not in most games. In Return to Castle Wolfenstein, Flamethrower was the ultimate tool of destruction alright, but otherwise, such Dragon Breath ammo is only useful, if the enemies are programmed in such way that they immediately start to howl and jump around once their clothes are on fire, thus, rendering them unable to fight.

This type of weapon is dramatically useless against supernatural enemies and machines as well (Cannon turret, Rocket turret, various drones and robots)

Re: 12 gauge dragons breath fire ammo, feels like Doom!

PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 2:36 pm
by Hellser
Reactor wrote:In Return to Castle Wolfenstein, Flamethrower was the ultimate tool of destruction alright, but otherwise, such Dragon Breath ammo is only useful, if the enemies are programmed in such way that they immediately start to howl and jump around once their clothes are on fire, thus, rendering them unable to fight.


Dragon Breath is a short lived chemical reaction. Where as a flamethrower throws a liquid which is on fire. That is a bit more devastating, IMO.

Re: 12 gauge dragons breath fire ammo, feels like Doom!

PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 2:47 pm
by NiGHTMARE
Hellser wrote:Now lets electrify that some how~.



Re: 12 gauge dragons breath fire ammo, feels like Doom!

PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:45 pm
by xenoxols
Yeah... but it's cooler than flechettes or buckshot.

Re: 12 gauge dragons breath fire ammo, feels like Doom!

PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 3:52 am
by Hellser
Form over looks. Sure. it might look cool as hell. But how effective is it really?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 5:58 am
by Reactor
I never understood, what kind of ammunition is "flechettes" and how guns can utilize'em if they contain no gunpowder. Maybe it's some kind of specific dart?

Re: 12 gauge dragons breath fire ammo, feels like Doom!

PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 6:23 am
by Hellser
Reactor wrote:I never understood, what kind of ammunition is "flechettes" and how guns can utilize'em if they contain no gunpowder. Maybe it's some kind of specific dart?


Flechettes are loaded akin to a sabot round. They're essentially metal darts with a high penetration value (due to the darts being pointed). Imagine a nail shotgun. Just remember; a shotgun is the most versatile thing you can have. Some people even fire rifle or pistol rounds in their shotguns just because - and with a wide range of accuracy.

A side note, and going by memory. Flechettes are actually in a dark gray area with the Geneva Convention. Interesting considering what a fragmentation grenade does.

Re: 12 gauge dragons breath fire ammo, feels like Doom!

PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 6:31 am
by Reactor
Yes, this sounds reasonable :) Thank you for clearing this one up for me, even though it was a lil'bit off-topic, I still wished to know, how exactly flechettes work.

Re: 12 gauge dragons breath fire ammo, feels like Doom!

PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 6:35 am
by Hellser
Reactor wrote:Yes, this sounds reasonable :) Thank you for clearing this one up for me, even though it was a lil'bit off-topic, I still wished to know, how exactly flechettes work.


Off-topic can sometimes spark new conversation. As I said (or didn't?), Dragon Breath is freaking COOL to look at. But as an offensive means? Useless.

Re: 12 gauge dragons breath fire ammo, feels like Doom!

PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 6:40 am
by Reactor
It's question of usage is a tad similar to the conversation about classic weapons vs. energy weapons. It's hard to come to an all-mighty conclusion, as classic weaponry (including incendiary ones) are sometimes better than "the future is NOW!!!" energy weapons. Against human enemies, animals or monsters sensitive to fire, it can be useful, if the actual enemy is stronger than being killed by just one shotgun hit, so the flames can torch him to death, but as for machine, ghost, or other kind of supernatural entity (for instance, the Disasteroid), incendiary shotgun rounds won't do any good, apart from angering the enemy up :D The same question can be applied to average frag grenades and white phosporus grenades.

I remember those incendiary shotgun rounds in Red Faction 2. Enemies were set ablaze, and they just stood still until they died, like a candle :)

Re: 12 gauge dragons breath fire ammo, feels like Doom!

PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 2:04 pm
by Caligari87
Hellser wrote:Some people even fire rifle or pistol rounds in their shotguns just because - and with a wide range of accuracy.
CAn you possibly link me something on this? because I'm never heard of it before. Are you referring to putting pistol rounds in specialized shotgun shells or something?

8-)