I'm actually done with BD

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I'm actually done with BD

Postby Armaetus » Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:18 pm

More information here on this topic in glorious detail

Yea, I am actually calling it quits on this mod and joining the ranks of those don't like or hate this mod. I have been jaded for the past 6 or so months but I needed to tell people finally after having to put up with all the issues the mod and some of its community have been up to.

My personal issues I have had with Brutal Doom:
-The unbalancing of monsters such as the baron, cyberdemon, imp and zombieman. Makes some custom maps difficult or impossible, not to mention every single release I kept editing the dumb crap out for the sake of my channel.
-Changing the weapons. I'm pretty sure one can get away without adding ADS and reloading into the mix!
-Too many variants. Sperg,Vanillafied, ADHD Edition, Quaker540, IDDQD, Enhanced, etc. I just don't get it myself but so many forks just confuse people, I'm not saying that's bad but it's just so many different versions of V19 it can overwhelm new users.
-The infamous DECORATE N-word code comment and suicide recommendation by Mark. These were simply unacceptable at all levels and should have kept to himself.
-The fanboys. The extremely devoted ones drive me nuts.

In final words, leftover and much older BD videos might be uploaded but sporadically only to clear queue space in the far back.

This is not a hate thread, this is me publicly denouncing my support of the mod altogether as a Doom player and my Youtube channel. I may use assets from it in my own mod but I don't use BD anymore.
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Re: I'm actually done with BD

Postby amv2k9 » Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:21 pm

Whoop-de-doo, more beating the rotting horse carcass that is BD.
Too many variants. Sperg,Vanillafied, ADHD Edition, Quaker540, IDDQD, Enhanced, etc.
Honestly a good thing IMO. Proof that content can outlive its creator, or in the case of Mark, outlive its creator's toxic attitude. And some of those spinoffs were borne out of the gameplay balancing bugbear you noted.
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Re: I'm actually done with BD

Postby demo_the_man » Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:30 pm

Yeah i was wondering what happent to mark, the EA of doom. Hes gone silent on everything, but then again theres this new gustavo guy that was hiving around lately.
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Re: I'm actually done with BD

Postby Armaetus » Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:11 pm

amv2k9 wrote:Whoop-de-doo, more beating the rotting horse carcass that is BD.
Too many variants. Sperg,Vanillafied, ADHD Edition, Quaker540, IDDQD, Enhanced, etc.
Honestly a good thing IMO. Proof that content can outlive its creator, or in the case of Mark, outlive its creator's toxic attitude. And some of those spinoffs were borne out of the gameplay balancing bugbear you noted.


Probably my first and only BD thread.

You are right on the variants segment, which were based on Mark's unbalanced work. I tried to remove headshots and limbshots since I suspect that was either the full or partial fault of the absurd framerate on highly populated maps.
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Re: I'm actually done with BD

Postby xenoxols » Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:38 pm

I'm not done with it, but I rarely play it in the first place. Also I like locational damage, but I like it to be cosmetic only.
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Re: I'm actually done with BD

Postby The Zombie Killer » Wed Jan 07, 2015 11:39 pm

Those are pretty much the same reasons that I probably won't update this anymore
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Re: I'm actually done with BD

Postby TheBadHustlex » Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:03 am

Glaice wrote:...The infamous DECORATE N-word code comment...


What's that, exactly...?
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Re: I'm actually done with BD

Postby Princess Viscra Maelstrom » Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:09 am

TheBadHustlex wrote:
Glaice wrote:...The infamous DECORATE N-word code comment...


What's that, exactly...?

Mark left a comment in the code of the Plasma Rifle, i believe, about "burning niggers", which, when it got found out about, he apparently decided not to remove it at first or something? i don't remember exactly what transpired, but it was about the comment in the code.
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Re: I'm actually done with BD

Postby wildweasel » Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:10 am

TheBadHustlex wrote:
Glaice wrote:...The infamous DECORATE N-word code comment...


What's that, exactly...?

Sarge left a comment in the plasma gun code (probably gone by now) involving a racist epithet that I don't care to repeat. When he was called out on it, there was (predictably) a huge shitstorm in the BD thread. I don't care to go dig up the post in question out of the hundreds of pages that thread got. Go find it yourself, it's probably still there.
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Re: I'm actually done with BD

Postby Big C » Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:17 am

I think as time went on Sarge started changing Brutal DooM from an amusing parody of heavy metal excess to a...Well, not-parody. With an obsession with gore and antisocial behavior.

He was screwed up. I'm still not sure whether he was always like that or turned that way gradually, though.
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Re: I'm actually done with BD

Postby TheBadHustlex » Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:25 am

Guess he just couldn't handle his success.
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Re: I'm actually done with BD

Postby wildweasel » Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:26 am

TheBadHustlex wrote:Guess he just couldn't handle his success.

More like, his "success" quickly revealed the kind of person he really was, and probably always had been to that point.
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Re: I'm actually done with BD

Postby Nems » Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:30 am

I wouldn't say it's all bad news.

I mean, Brutal Doom's existence led to quality gems like this:



And this:

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Re: I'm actually done with BD

Postby Princess Viscra Maelstrom » Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:37 am

Brutal Doom by itself isn't bad. it's Mark's attitude that was the problem. if Mark didn't act the way he did, i don't think there'd be all this controversy revolving around the mod, and the only real annoyance would be everyone asking for BD compatibility with everything ever in the everness of everity.
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Re: I'm actually done with BD

Postby Hellser » Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:10 am

I was one of the shit-stirrers for the whole BD thing back a few years ago. I can safely say now that I did play Brutal Doom, and I enjoyed it. But Mark's toxic personality crossed me something awful. Like Mark, the fanbase and, dare I say.. cult that revolved around Mark also became toxic.. and just like any AAA-company, Mark's ass was being kissed by media groups (all I know so far was Kotaku and PCGamer(?)) -- saying that Brutal Doom was the "New Doom" and how "zomgawesome" the mod was - whilst turning away from any decent suggestions at the time.

This attracted a wave of new Doomers which concentrated solely on Brutal Doom and nothing else. Hence the constant "WILL THIS WORK WITH BRUTAL DOOM" posts on other mods. Besides that, some of the new folks BD brought on worked on Brutal Doom publicly (Sperglord, etc.). While I might grind my teeth at such forums - I am also smiling too. When these guys are done with their BD craze, they'll have the know-how to make new, and possibly awesome mods!

I don't like Mark. Sure didn't like how he handled things and tried to pass it off as a cultural difference. All is said and done now. Welcome aboard, I suppose? If so, get crackin' on tryin' to make a few awesome mods, man. Start small, experiment with ideas floating in your head.. and be sure to give proper credit! (Another Mark stab, heh.)
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