ZDoom

Then you got the wrong GZDoom.

PSXRevizorRussian wrote:

Enjay wrote:Assuming you have GZDoom, you already have them. They are in the sprites folder inside gzdoom.pk3.

instead of sprites there are orange letters "DOG" on each sprite name

Enjay wrote:Assuming you have GZDoom, you already have them. They are in the sprites folder inside gzdoom.pk3.

Many thanks for the clarification.

Assuming you have GZDoom, you already have them. They are in the sprites folder inside gzdoom.pk3.

Where to download these sprites? I can use them in Psx Doom Forever project

A bit late to this party but I think these dogs are a major improvement.

The Wolfenstein dogs always stuck out as being "those dogs from Wolfenstein" and having a simpler, more cartoony style than Doom (and, yes, I know that I have used them in some of my mods). Nash's one's are more consistent with Doom graphics IMO; certainly with third party sprites produced for Doom by the community.

The legal aspect is, of course, good news too.

However, other than to test them out, I've never actually used the MBF helper dogs in a game. Having a good set of Doomy-looking dog sprites will be the main benefit of this to me.

German shepherds. (FormGen reskinned them as rottweilers in the Spear of Destiny mission packs, though.)

Looking very nice. Definitely better detailed than the Wolfenstein Rottweilers.

I really like these sprites. It's nice to have an alternative to the Wolf3D dogs even aside from the legalities. Well done!

MartinHowe wrote: they are not my familiar Doom dogs

There's no such thing as a Doom dog. Let's be clear: Any port released under the GPL which is using the Wolfenstein sprites is on legally shaky ground. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them took Nash's replacement themselves to rid themselves of this issue.

As someone who's never personally used the dogs (I had only played with them a few times prior to this coming up, having heard of the MBF support), I've never grown particularly attached to the dogs.

But even if I were - sometimes change is necessary. Yes you can use autoload and get your old doggies back, and that's a supported and sanctioned method. Obviously, we won't do it for you - but there's nothing to stop you from posting your work on the Graphics/Sound patches forum, either.

But as I was saying, times change. The new doggies were needed, Nash delivered. If we had had alternate working sprites for the doggos, this replacement probably would have probably happened sooner.

As for WolfSS in Doom2 - that was something id did, and it had a very narrow and specific use. Throwing the dogs in with them is something that randomly became standard because some other source port did it and had nothing to do with the original author of the games.

So basically this is like the green cross medikits in modern official ports of classic doom. Times have changed and things that have been tolerated for ages must sometimes go. Though I will now have to create an autoload as for me this is a bad move, not because Nash's dogs are bad, but because they are not my familiar Doom dogs Whether or not it's is a "mistake" by other ports, it has become the de facto standard and it is with sadness that today's legalistic world requires this change.

However I would question the "no relation to the doom engine" comment, otherwise why have WolfSS soldiers in Doom2 in the first place? Indeed I always wondered why iD didn't include the dogs and use them in place of demons on the Doom2 secret levels.

Ravick wrote:First, nice job, Nash! That's a nice set of sprites you've got, IMO.

Second, uh... any chances of you do some idle sprites for it? Things just like the dog sitting, sleeping, eating or so.

:)

Thanks!

Sure, I can knock out some idle frames, shouldn't be too hard.

First, nice job, Nash! That's a nice set of sprites you've got, IMO.

Second, uh... any chances of you do some idle sprites for it? Things just like the dog sitting, sleeping, eating or so.

Zhs2 wrote:This is venturing somewhere off the topic, but while I think the sprites are fine, the new dog sounds are imo less evocative of "oh no, I'm hurting this poor dog" than the old Wolf3D ones.

They're quick edits of Creative Commons/Public Domain recordings from the FreeSound Project. They're not better than the copyrighted MacWolf ones, heavens no, but they're more "passable" then the previous placeholders, which were an up-pitched human voice.

The source audio credits should be given in the PK3. If you can find more fitting sounds and we can verify that they're original recordings with a GPL-friendly license, then sure, I'll spin something up with them.