There will be BLOOD

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Re: There will be BLOOD

by Doctor-Dos » Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:13 pm

Well I seem to be doing OK so far!

I've been through this before, don't forget! Though this is going to be for GZdoom.
Please remember that absolute accuracy is not my aim! This is going to be a new adventure for Caleb!
It is not my intent to reinvent the wheel, if you want the original Blood then play the original!
I will be posting a few screenies soon.

You are welcome to help if you want!

Re: There will be BLOOD

by SFJake » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:36 pm

I really support this project, however I'm wondering how close you can really get to the real Blood. A lot of things are radically different to what Doom does. Even with ZDoom it'll be quite a challenge. I wonder how close ZDoom can get to enemy behavior, for example. You're also going at it all alone, thats pretty insane. And twice, no less!

So, much luck to you.

Re: There will be BLOOD

by Doctor-Dos » Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:21 pm

leileilol wrote:Not anymore!
Ummm.... Creepy!

Re: There will be BLOOD

by leileilol » Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:15 am

Re: There will be BLOOD

by Doctor-Dos » Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:51 pm

Caleb doesn't say very many bad words... Mainly just the occasional "Bitch".

Re: There will be BLOOD

by Enjay » Wed Oct 17, 2012 2:47 am

leileilol wrote:Sometimes being within the line is fun. I find it fun to make some GettingCrapPastTheRadar. I always got away with voluminous cleavage, sling bikini armor and graphic still-beating separated hearts easily available in international apt-get repositories, ESPECIALLY Japan's where graphic innard gore is CERO Z worthy.
Indeed. With a piece of written work that a friend and I were working on, we decided to re-visit the whole thing and look at the swearing that characters were doing (it was a contemporary fantasy/supernatural story). We decided to remove all but one "fuck" and replace the swears with words that were the kind of thing that would be thought of as quite disgusting/rude/offensive by the character uttering them but, to the reader, the would carry no direct "unacceptable" connotations. As a result, we ended up with what we thought was actually a much deeper and richer world despite massively cutting down on the f-bombs (etc).

Re: There will be BLOOD

by leileilol » Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:07 pm

Enjay wrote:For me it would have to be pretty extreme to have crossed the line so, basically, anything within the normal limits of what you might expect in an 18+ game would be fine by me.
British 18+ mind you is different than the 18+ in other countries, which the difference usually being explicit sexual content or actual gambling..... and I hope you don't need to cross THAT line with such unnecessary hyperbole! Even language can be offsetting. Try to imagine a Caleb who says "FUCK!" for every verb, add "FUCKING" to every noun, and ending everything he says with a delayed, delivered "........BITCH!". That's crossing the line of mature content and just RefugeInAudacity, and doesn't make your game any more "mature". It didn't help Blood 2 with its bleeped civilians.

Sometimes being within the line is fun. I find it fun to make some GettingCrapPastTheRadar. I always got away with voluminous cleavage, sling bikini armor and graphic still-beating separated hearts easily available in international apt-get repositories, ESPECIALLY Japan's where graphic innard gore is CERO Z worthy.

Re: There will be BLOOD

by Abba Zabba » Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:33 pm

At first I thought this was about the movie...then I remembered this is General.

I'd love to see Blood some sort of sourceport (for better controls) but I don't think that will ever happen. I remember some guy tried contacting one of the guys who worked on it and he said "yeh" on releasing the sourcecode but I think that fell flat when the company denied it or something.

Re: There will be BLOOD

by Doctor-Dos » Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:35 pm

Vaecrius wrote: Excessive cruelty to helpless opponents is there as well. (I find that Brutal Doom does not, despite having an explicit "cruelty bonus", do this - either an opponent is an actually useful human shield or your "cruely" is, ironically, putting them out of their misery!) Hypothetical example: Guy drops weapon and surrenders, you burn him to death with flamethrower.
The original Blood had many "helpless" victims that you could kill/light afire/etc.

Thanks for the flamethrower idea!!! :twisted: :lol:

To quote Caleb, "Fresh victims for the evergrowing army of the undead!"

Re: There will be BLOOD

by Doctor-Dos » Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:48 pm

RV-007 wrote:Whatever it is, it is always a plus when in context.
Some examples are brutal conquerers of the past, old movies, and cultists.
Just make sure to keep the themes consistent. I don't want freaky out stuff going on (none of that cartoon calendar things).
Cartoon Calendars? What is that?

Re: There will be BLOOD

by RV-007 » Thu Oct 11, 2012 3:13 pm

Whatever it is, it is always a plus when in context.
Some examples are brutal conquerers of the past, old movies, and cultists.

Just make sure to keep the themes consistent. I don't want freaky out stuff going on (none of that cartoon calendar things).

Re: There will be BLOOD

by Matt » Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:14 pm

Re: Crossing the line

I remember a while back SergeantMkIV stirred up a bit of controversy when he announced some Brutal Doom gore based on photos of real-life dead people, so that can reasonably be expected to be a line there. Respect for family and loved ones left behind and all that.


Personally, it's when the author starts celebrating violence against real people and either

a) it's not intended to be a joke, or
b) it's intended to be a "joke" but it's obvious they're just using that as an excuse to be seriously nasty to people who don't deserve it or can't effectively (including culturally, without being casually, systemically dismissed by the mainstream) fight back.

DN3D crossed that line with the alien rape stuff. (Might have been on this side of the line if the objective was to rescue people but as far as I could tell it was always just "oh look, bewbs ::fap:: ::destroy::"... and the mutilated corpses in the console versions was even worse for the connotations. (None of this, I should stress, has anything to do with nudity.)

Hypothetically a Wolfenstein mod where you played the enemy and there was a bonus level mowing down comical Jewish stereotypes would cross the line in similar but non-sexual ways. Well, let's be fair to DN3D, it wasn't anywhere that bad. More like, you're still Blaskowicz on the side of the not-more-evil guys, but the huge pile of corpses in the concentration camp you stumble into is full of dead people who look like comical Jewish stereotypes and when you hit the Use key B throws money at them to "honour" the dead. And the corpses can be gibbed. And the gib sprites are really hairy in some places and one of the gibs is a big hook nose--okay I'm going to stop right here.

Excessive cruelty to helpless opponents is there as well. (I find that Brutal Doom does not, despite having an explicit "cruelty bonus", do this - either an opponent is an actually useful human shield or your "cruely" is, ironically, putting them out of their misery!) Hypothetical example: Guy drops weapon and surrenders, you burn him to death with flamethrower.


As for mere visual gore, facial/skull/teeth stuff always squicks me the hell out though it's not usually a dealbreaker.


tl;dr who and why are the biggest things, the rest is just meat

Re: There will be BLOOD

by Doctor-Dos » Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:15 pm

I am also thinking along the lines of a past era (The first blood was 1920's).

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4d82YrKNP4M/T ... e+way.jpeg

Re: There will be BLOOD

by Doctor-Dos » Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:52 pm

I have been thinking about making it a bit more RPG in nature... (Think Strife)
In other words, decisions made during gameplay will effect the end result.

Any thoughts on this...

Re: There will be BLOOD

by Enjay » Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:41 pm

Personally, I have no problem with nudity that is consistent with the theme and aesthetics of the mod.

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