ZDoom

Well, for some horror standalone game making AltHUD empty (or very limited) is a viable option. For Doom mod it's a nonsense indeed. Ability to force internal AltHUD was added just for this case.

No concerns. It still needs some work for easier use but what's there is enough to get people started.

But one piece of warning to a certain type of modder: Should I see a single case of this being abused to render the AltHud useless I'll add an override switch.
The point here is to allow customization of the contents, not to do something completely dfifferent.

I pushed the changes to PR branch. If there will be no concerns, I'll merge it to master.

Agreed. I will just have to add a reminder for those who want to use the custom AltHUD to disable the override CVAR.

Yes, that sounds like the most fair course of action to everyone concerned.

As this PR didn't receive any comments, I propose the following. I will merge it, make most of functions virtual, and add a CVAR that will force usage of internal AltHUD.
So, alternative HUD will be fully customizable, but it can be overridden with the default one if player wants to do it for some reason.

mental: thanks for kickstarting this! Any kind of customizability would be appreciated at this point. :)

[url=https://github.com/coelckers/gzdoom/pull/974]Here[/url] is what I made so far. It's up to Graf to leave/add/replace existing virtual functions, I didn't touch it intentionally except Init() method.

To be specific, here are the two features of my current mod that make the default Alt Hud look not too useful:

1 - I am implementing a weapon system similar to the game Borderlands - in that game, weapons are uniquely generated, so you may not necessarily "have" the same weapons in your inventory all the time. The weapon drawer ideally should be dynamic.
2 - I am implementing a custom armor system where this is no single armor value - the player can equip 3 different armor pieces (helmet, body armor, boots) and I would like to draw the armor amount of the difference pieces. Also the armor icon should be dynamic, because there would be different kinds of armor pieces to find and equip.

Of course, it's up to you to decide how much customizability you'll want to allow. :)

Correct, but the weapon problem needs a solution, I've seen too many mods where the weapon/ammo part is totally broken.
I'll have to see whether I actually allow overriding the drawers or merely the collection functions. Probably the latter.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the idea behind the alt HUD is that it acts as a fall-back in case someone does silly things like removing the status bar and fullscreen HUD.

[quote="Graf Zahl"]for example customize the ammo display which in general is what's needed the most.[/quote]
Hey, that's exactly what I could use right now. If it were possible to modify the alternative HUD, I could provide a lightweight replacement for the main HUD used in my project. It appears that the HUD system I've been developing recently may be just too much for older entry-level CPUs, but I can't use standard HUDs as fallback due to how the weapons are designed.

Also, just to clarify, do I understand it correctly that the OP's suggestion is not just that the AltHUD can be subclassed and modified, but also that it can be replaced so that enabling "Alternative HUD" in the options menu will enable the custom alternative HUD instead of the original one? That, of course, sounds reasonable, but I just wanted to be sure.

Agreed with Graf - when I made this thread, all I had in mind was to customize the ammo and weapon drawer... had no intention to touch anything else. So being able to select which of the several drawers to override/customize is preferable.

I'd make all sub-drawers virtual, so that mods can, for example customize the ammo display which in general is what's needed the most.

What kind of work? A base class for alternative HUDs? With exception of making [b]Init[/b] virtual, and maybe [b]Draw[/b] too, instead of [b]DrawInGame[/b] and [b]DrawAutomap[/b], I could not imagine anything meaningful.