Intriguing developments

[Graf Zahl]

I don't want to think about that right now. Maybe, yes, but this is the least of the problems.

Now that I dug deeper into the menu code the true nightmares begin to surface. This code is magnitudes more horrible than I ever imagined...

[Kinsie]

Might be best to just burn it with fire and start from square one.

[Graf Zahl]

Almost. I still have to use it as reference. Which isn't that easy if all the stuff for one menu is all over the place.

Fortunately, I will probably be able to recycle larger parts of the load/save and player setup menu without completely redoing it. The worst in terms of organization is, oh the irony, the 'New game' menu and its submenus. There's so many special cases, exceptions, adjustments and hacks in there it's unbelievable. And I thought I'd get through that in a day and a half... No such luck.

[Ceeb]

If I may ask, Graf, how did the menu code end up so alarmingly hideous?

[NeuralStunner]

If I may ask, Graf, how did the menu code end up so alarmingly hideous?

In fact this has to be the single worst piece of code in the entire ZDoom source. Nearly everything else got cleaned up at some time. Not the menu. It has grown cancerously since ZDoom started. Every new feature was just tacked on without doing anything about the design problems it inherited from the id source.

[Blzut3]

From the quick glances I've seen of the menu code it seemed fairly similar to the menu code from Wolfenstein 3D. I wonder if any of it was carried over. (The menu code was the first thing I ripped out of my ECWolf source port.)

[Slasher]

Created new branch for Doom 64 support.

Well there's an intriguing development. That was...unexpected.

[Gez]

Isn't it exciting?

[Slasher]

Isn't it exciting?

Well I've never properly played Doom64, so yeah I suppose it could be interesting, if it works out.

Makes me wonder if this will reinforce the mentality of Zdoom support of other games... like the Build Engine games. (doubtful)

[phi108]

It's pretty exciting, considering I've never finished Doom64 due to Project64 messing up on that game for me. I still need to try Doom64ex, though I have been meaning to get a N64 for years...

[Graf Zahl]

If I may ask, Graf, how did the menu code end up so alarmingly hideous?

Heaping special case upon special case, support 5 different games with one set of code, have some external programmers mess with it to add new features (player classes, for example) but having nobody who'd even think of cleaning it up (most likely because the code did the job) will do that. Easily.

The intermission screen code was in a similar shape in 2.0.9x times but that was much, much easier to clean up because if was far less complex and the special cases much more easily removed and externalized.

[Ceeb]

though I have been meaning to get a N64 for years...

Wish you would've said something a couple months ago.

[Kinsie]

Makes me wonder if this will reinforce the mentality of Zdoom support of other games... like the Build Engine games. (doubtful)

Each BUILD engine game is very different internally, it can't really happen.

(Also, the Witchhaven source is kind of illegal)

[Ceeb]

(Also, the Witchhaven source is kind of illegal)

Isn't Strife's? Also was Chex Quest straight-up PD or is there some draconian copyright for it deep in the bowels of Chex?

[Xaser]

Strife has no released source -- all support was done through pure reverse-engineering. And Chex Quest did have a legit engine license and is now freeware all around as far as I can tell.